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    Quote Originally Posted by cheerful-pessimist View Post
    I think he does that a lot, and that may be way other people don't like him at first. He likes tangible things.
    He's also far too logical about things that shouldn't always be defined logically. When we have discussions in our humanities class, he always manages to offend someone by explaining away something absurd, like how genocide is technically good for the economy and is therefore not necessarily a negative thing. :/
    Just because it's an unpopular position, doesn't make it false.

    The question is whether he believes economic growth is more valuable than human lives in practice, not in theory. Would he be willing to kill to own a few more dollars or some more land? I get testy when people assume that I hold a strong position like that just because I can see the logic in it from an objective standpoint.

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    I don't believe that the human mind could ever be recreated by an algorithm. Just studying the interplay of cell signaling would give a clue about how complex EVERYTHING is. To believe that a "soul" or a "mind" could be distilled down to algorithms (because cellular processes are based on genes) is naiive sci-fi. Only people who didn't understand basic cellular biology and biochemistry could ever believe that.

    (this is why INTJs are disliked)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    yes yes yes.

    The Icelandic Genome Project fascinates me to no end. Genetic algorithm, FTW!
    I basically believe in the predictions of Ray Kurzweil. The human brain is incredibly complex, but the program that runs it, I think we will be able to recreate. It's approximatively 20 MB, and based on it you will be able to simulate the human mind. Kurzweil predicts that in the 2020s:

    # Highly advanced medical nanobots will perform detailed brainscans on live patients.
    # Accurate computer simulations of the entire human brain will exist due to these hyperaccurate brainscans, and the workings of the brain will be understood.
    # A computer passes the Turing test by the last year of the decade (2029), meaning that it is a Strong AI and can think like a human (though the first A.I. is likely to be the equivalent of a very stupid human). This first A.I. is built around a computer simulation of a human brain, which was made possible by previous, nanotech-guided brainscanning.
    Quote Originally Posted by nonsequitur View Post
    I don't believe that the human mind could ever be recreated by an algorithm. Just studying the interplay of cell signaling would give a clue about how complex EVERYTHING is. To believe that a "soul" or a "mind" could be distilled down to algorithms (because cellular processes are based on genes) is naiive sci-fi. Only people who didn't understand basic cellular biology and biochemistry could ever believe that.
    I think I have the basics down, since I got an A on my exam in biological psychology. Just because the brain is an incredibly complex system, doesn't mean it's impossible to emulate. Future computers will have enough calculation power to emulate even the human brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsequitur View Post
    I don't believe that the human mind could ever be recreated by an algorithm. Just studying the interplay of cell signaling would give a clue about how complex EVERYTHING is. To believe that a "soul" or a "mind" could be distilled down to algorithms (because cellular processes are based on genes) is naiive sci-fi. Only people who didn't understand basic cellular biology and biochemistry could ever believe that.

    (this is why INTJs are disliked)
    Yes, that is exactly the point I made in my 2nd post. INTJs think they know everything and try to demean their opponent, instead of arguing the topic at hand or asking follow up questions to gain a better perspective. And this is the reason why they can be fundamentally disliked. I'm only referring to the "unhealthy" ones, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splittet View Post
    I basically believe in the predictions of Ray Kurzweil. The human brain is incredibly complex, but the program that runs it, I think we will be able to recreate. It's approximatively 20 MB, and based on it you will be able to simulate the human mind. Kurzweil predicts that in the 2020s:
    I don't know about the timeline, but he is a brilliant brilliant man.

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    Man, I love the difference between the "Everyone hates INTJs thread" and "Everyone hates INTPs thread".
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Yes, that is exactly the point I made in my 2nd post. INTJs think they know everything and try to demean their opponent, instead of arguing the topic at hand or asking follow up questions to gain a better perspective. And this is the reason why they can be fundamentally disliked. I'm only referring to the "unhealthy" ones, of course.
    No, I don't think that I know everything. But I do know what I know, what I don't know, and what I've spent years of my life studying/working on.

    The criticism that I made wasn't meant to demean. It would be similar to me making general, wild speculations on 17th century literature without having any background, or having done any reading on it.

    The reason why I didn't even bother to argue why I thought it was naiive sci-fi... That's because I don't know where to begin (though I did list simply studying cell signaling as an example of the degree of complexity involved). There are so many reasons why it is a huge over-simplification, and why genes are not everything.

    What you see as a demeaning put-down... I see as a reminder. When someone tells me that I don't know anything about - say, particle physics, and that I'm talking out of my ass I don't think it's demeaning. I take it as a sign that I should a) read more and substantiate my view or b) stop talking out of my ass about something that I know nothing about. I have, however, noticed that with NPs, they tend to take it more personally.

    I could say all of this more tactfully, but I'm exhausted from a 12 hour day in the lab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsequitur View Post
    What you see as a demeaning put-down... I see as a reminder. When someone tells me that I don't know anything about - say, particle physics, and that I'm talking out of my ass I don't think it's demeaning. I take it as a sign that I should a) read more and substantiate my view or b) stop talking out of my ass about something that I know nothing about. I have, however, noticed that with NPs, they tend to take it more personally.

    I could say all of this more tactfully, but I'm exhausted from a 12 hour day in the lab.
    It was, in fact, meant to demean. It was meant to show your knowledge over mine and to imply that my thought process was childlike. You of course are under the assumption that I have no point of reference and that I would dare make a claim that I myself had not put a lot of research and thought into. And again, you are trying to drive the point home by implying that I need to read more and stop talking out of my ass. It's fine that you do that - I don't care. But don't pretend as if you're not doing it.

    I don't see it as a put down, because I wasn't put down. I have no reason to be. Believe me, I don't take things personally - especially not from strangers on the internet.

    I've already explained that I like INTJs, but to others who may not be as strong minded as I am, you guys can come off as bullies. And you do that by making statements like the one you used in response to me.

    No one would think you to be an unpleasant person if you simply said something like: "I've done a lot of research in this field and came to the conclusion that this is impossible. What are your reasons for thinking the contrary?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheerful-pessimist View Post
    The only INTJ I know is almost a robot. :/ He literally believes that the human mind could be recreated by an algorithm, and he doesn't believe in psychology or the concept of the human soul at all. I think he's hilarious, but a lot of people don't like him. I guess they get upset when he refuses to validate the complexity of their natures. :B
    Actually... I agree that it could be. I'm not sure that we should, since it might depress us to realize how simple we really are, but I'm so curious I'd be interesting in seeing it if it happened anyway.

    I believe in psychology to some extent, at least as a diagnostic tool for helping uncover and deal with emotional issues. Don't know how accurate it is, though. As for the soul... well, I'm agnostic about that. There's no way to detect a soul, but it might or might not exist.

    I always try to validate the complexity of people's natures, but it's tough. Because most people I encounter (in real life, not on here) seem so simplistic and predictable in their responses that I struggle to think of them as real people compared to myself. It's really depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Man, I love the difference between the "Everyone hates INTJs thread" and "Everyone hates INTPs thread".
    Yes, it was quite amusing.
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