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    Quote Originally Posted by KristenSnowdeal View Post
    INTJ's don't necessarily "dislike" most people, simply don't view them as useful. Having little in common with other people, that makes sense. Egocentric? No. That is an individual type of characteristic- but introversion does lead to knowing oneself better than others.
    I am talking about average tendencies, and based on that, one cannot say every INTJ is such and such. If you interpret me that way, you interpret me wrong. On average, INTJs like other people less than the the average person. As far as egocentricity goes, in comes from the T. F is more or less the same as Big Five agreeableness, and the opposite of agreeableness is egocentricity.

    Sample Agreeableness items

    * I am interested in people.
    * I feel others’ emotions.
    * I have a soft heart.
    * I make people feel at ease.
    * I sympathize with others’ feelings.
    * I take time out for others.
    * I am not interested in other people’s problems. (reversed)
    * I am not really interested in others. (reversed)
    * I feel little concern for others. (reversed)
    * I insult people. (reversed)[7]
    Agreeableness leads to being likable, and being low on it, means liking and caring less for others, and it makes you less likable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KristenSnowdeal View Post
    Logically, I don't see much of a reason for it, except that perhaps people get too emotionally distraught over our cold humor? Maybe we're a bit biting in our wit, but I don't think we deserve the reputation of being cold, hostile, completely emotionless, analytical, and evil.

    Slightly cold, a bit maniacal, repressive, controlling, logical, maybe.

    Thoughts?
    I don't have a problem with INTJ's as a personality at all. I think I get along with XNTJ's as a whole, probably because I have several of the same traits. However, I have been pondering whether it is a choice (of a few here) to think their lack of extroverted feeling is freedom to not have a heart at all, or if they truly lack both introverted and extroverted feeling which results in your latter description.
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    I always have to laugh at this "I-don't-have-a-heart" stuff (I saw this mentioned in INTJ posts, at least two or three occasions). It's so lame - and totally illogical, which doesn't really fit the NT temperament.

    "Oh look at me, I'm the misunderstood robot, I'm so damn special, somebody help me *whinewhinewhine*". Oh please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvyak View Post
    I always have to laugh at this "I-don't-have-a-heart" stuff (I saw this mentioned in INTJ posts, at least two or three occasions). It's so lame - and totally illogical, which doesn't really fit the NT temperament.

    "Oh look at me, I'm the misunderstood robot, I'm so damn special, somebody help me *whinewhinewhine*". Oh please
    I think some people take it too far, indeed. Sarcastically, I may say that I don't have a heart. If they choose to believe that I really believe that, let them fester in their ignorance.

    I view emotions as a tool, which I find easier than most to set aside until I deem them necessary. Relating my emotions to others, or being able to comprehend how their emotions control them to the extent which they do is my main problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KristenSnowdeal View Post
    Sarcastically, I may say that I don't have a heart.
    I'm confident the aformentioned members were 100% serious in that context (I can't find it anywhere ).

    Quote Originally Posted by KristenSnowdeal View Post
    I view emotions as a tool, which I find easier than most to set aside until I deem them necessary.
    Indeed.

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    i think those are just excuses for being emotional immature and not dealing with them in a healthy way

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    The only INTJ I know is almost a robot. :/ He literally believes that the human mind could be recreated by an algorithm, and he doesn't believe in psychology or the concept of the human soul at all. I think he's hilarious, but a lot of people don't like him. I guess they get upset when he refuses to validate the complexity of their natures. :B
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheerful-pessimist View Post
    The only INTJ I know is almost a robot. :/ He literally believes that the human mind could be recreated by an algorithm, and he doesn't believe in psychology or the concept of the human soul at all. I think he's hilarious, but a lot of people don't like him. I guess they get upset when he refuses to validate the complexity of their natures. :B
    I guess that would be an example of greedy reductionism. I believe as well that the human mind could be and will be recreated by an algorithm, and I believe the algorithm it is based on, is in our genes. I don't believe in a soul (outdated concept), but I believe in psychology and consciousness. Mentalistic and reductionist biological perspectives are complimentary, they are just different levels of analysis. I believe human beings are incredibly complex, chaotic-deterministic and dynamical systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splittet View Post
    I guess that would be an example of greedy reductionism.
    I think he does that a lot, and that may be way other people don't like him at first. He likes tangible things.
    He's also far too logical about things that shouldn't always be defined logically. When we have discussions in our humanities class, he always manages to offend someone by explaining away something absurd, like how genocide is technically good for the economy and is therefore not necessarily a negative thing. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splittet View Post
    I guess that would be an example of greedy reductionism. I believe as well that the human mind could be and will be recreated by an algorithm, and I believe the algorithm it is based on, is in our genes. I don't believe in a soul (outdated concept), but I believe in psychology and consciousness. Mentalistic and reductionist biological perspectives are complimentary, they are just different levels of analysis. I believe human beings are incredibly complex, chaotic-deterministic and dynamical systems.
    yes yes yes.

    The Icelandic Genome Project fascinates me to no end. Genetic algorithm, FTW!

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