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    Default Do you ever get "hungry" for a good argument?

    epistemological, teleological, scientific, or even mathematical?

    For me this hunger for an argument feels a lot like hunger for food. I tend to overeat, when I haven't had my intelectual fill.

    Anyone have similar issues?

    Maybe experienced in a very different way? Use your imagination.

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    Yes, I do, often; and it's difficult to find people who don't feel personally threatened by competitive exchanges, let alone those who enjoy controversy. An ISTJ recently told me that I "just like to argue," and while disappointed with what was her refusal to continue a minor debate, I took the remark as a compliment.

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    No. Never just for the sake of arguing. I don't think people need an annexation of my inner conflict.

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    No. See above.
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    Not quite "argue". Just to rant/debate/speculate...although most of the time I'm fine with just letting things roll around in my own mind so that I can keep improving them until someone brings them up.

    It's kind of the reverse of hunger for me...more like a bloating feeling. Like letting out gas...it can build up sometimes and it feels better after it's all out.

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    Yes I do but I'm careful to do it with the right kind of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffer View Post
    Not quite "argue". Just to rant/debate/speculate...although most of the time I'm fine with just letting things roll around in my own mind so that I can keep improving them until someone brings them up.

    It's kind of the reverse of hunger for me...more like a bloating feeling. Like letting out gas...it can build up sometimes and it feels better after it's all out.

    I actually meant more like this (though the feeling is still hunger).

    By argument, I meant:Logical argument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If you were to interpret it in the other way, I am hungry to lose an argument. I want to lose an argument not because the other person is more obstinate than I am, but because I clearly see that he or she is right.

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    I love a good debate. All of my fondest childhood memories of my INTJ dad were arguments. I don't often get hungry for arguments though, I just enjoy them when they come up. I wave my hands, I raise my voice, I laugh scornfully, smirk dismissively and reductio ad absurdum like there's no tomorrow. But only with certain people in certain environments, where I know I'm not going to permanently offend anyone. I'm especially fond of arguing ridiculous positions and playing devil's advocate. But I have to be reasonably familiar with a topic to enjoy arguing it.

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    I dont think seeking for arguments for their own sake, and I do think my discussions evolve into arguments very often. If I challenge groupthink in some way, people often rely on the opinions and conceptions they formed while in group, giving a chance for short discussion. The depth and bredth of arguments in such systems of thought is rapidly handled. Same goes for any thought systems with poor or flawed argumentative power or logical basis. I dont think my discussion partners ever feel humiliated, they just run out of arguments to provide for their case, and are soon forced to operate outside their thought system. They then notice a new point in how their thought system is related to outside world, which is uncharted territory for them, and provides them with a new learning opportunity. I often find in future conversations that the person has studied such new areas after they noticed them.

    If someone is interested in handling information gracefully, discussions often evolve into appreciating each others observations, and we handle multiple topics that we appreciate in the same conversation.

    If the person presents a good case on some though system I haven't known before, I become an appreciating inquirer and a challenger, but not in the way that I would hold sure that I am right.

    If the person presents a bad case of argument to justify actions or a social philosophy I consider distasteful or inefficient, I will go to the end of it the tear that system apart, not the person, tho. It's not an argument, more like moving the lawn or cleaning a closet.

    If the a point is being made that is challenging and well-presented but supports an offending conclusion, then I would say that argument starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    If the a point is being made that is challenging and well-presented but supports an offending conclusion, then I would say that argument starts.
    And in such a conditions I have an intense craving to be presented with an incredibly clear argument to convince me of the "offending" position.

    I've been going to an evangelical bible study for 5 years now, looking for such an argument (in the philosophical sense, not in the "shouting match" sense).

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