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    I do enjoy debates, not because I believe I'll convert anyone to my way of thinking on any specific issue, but to sharpen my own beliefs.

    Edited to add - wow, that makes me sound more selfish than I really think I am. I see open, academic discussion, as a way to challenge both myself and others....hmmm....that doesn't sound much better.....oh well. I'm an INTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Understanding is best reached through critiquing, by improving your ideas and those of others critical thinking. A better way to think of it would be critique to get an understanding and not to appease your prejudices.

    People tend not to behave in a destructive fashion in debates if their purpose truly is the truth, yet very much do when they are out only for their own vainglory.
    it isn't possible to understand by critique because critique almost always gets in the way of understanding .. most of the time the person critiquing doesn't even fully understand the opposing point of view because his focus is on the critique rather than to understand ..

    the purpose of critique is to better understand one's OWN point of view .. to better understand what one's own point of view is not .. but understanding of another's point of view can not be achieved through critique but rather through un-interrupted active listening ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    epistemological, teleological, scientific, or even mathematical?

    For me this hunger for an argument feels a lot like hunger for food. I tend to overeat, when I haven't had my intelectual fill.

    Anyone have similar issues?

    Maybe experienced in a very different way? Use your imagination.
    My brother, INTJ, and I argue almost literally every second we're on contact. It's positive arguing though. It's learning experience for both of us. We both enjoy it.

    If I'm not arguing with him, I'm arguing with a teacher or my parents or other brother or anyone else. Almost constant battle. Consequently, everyone hates me, but I know a lot more than anyone I know because in arguing, I force myself to see more than one perspective. I find myself more and more frequently, since I started learning about types arguing the side I'm unfamiliar with. There are a few things which I'm decided on - that is, I always seem to argue the same side of the argument though. Things like religion. I always argue against god. Though, that's probably because it's easier to argue in favor of god, because you're always got the omni-powerful cop-out, "It's all a test - it doesn't have to make sense"

    I usually am able to get through that with a single sentence when debating wiht a religious type, but unfortunately for me, I've never been in favor of God where someone could do the same, so the argument ends there. Otherwise I might actually end up arguing in favor of god if any of the atheists I know knew how to hold up an argument.

    I wouldn't call what I have a hunger.... more of an addiction. I'm actually uneasy when not arguing at times. Partly because if you're not arguing then the only other option is to ask "how's school?" or "how's the kids?"

    Fuck that shit. Boring and uninteresting. Small talk is bullshit. In the first place, no one really cares. They just ask because "it's what you do when you see someone" as though butting into their personal life were some kind of compliment or something. Perhaps it's the flawed mentality that showing fake interest in someone else's affairs is supposed to trick them into feeling that their life is important. I doubt there's any reasoning in it - it's probably just social refle at this point.

    Anyway, arguing is much better.

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    Arguing is just sparing.

    The more you spar, the better you hone your knowledge.

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    ME? No!
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Good God yes!
    And if I can't have a good argument, I'll have a bad one.

    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker
    Yes, this is the typical T need.
    Ti > Te?
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    most men are Thinkers
    I think it's a 60/40 split.
    You've already established it's about cognitive functional preference, why do you feel the need to introduce gender into the equation?

    I want an argument.
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    I love getting in a good discussion and I will go looking for one.

    I usually enjoy arguing with T's because they won't get offended by me and therefore it is easier for me to not be offended by them.

    I think it is one reason that I like discussing issues on forums. It's a controlled, non emotional environment.

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    I kind of hate arguments. Either I know I'm right with 100 percent certainty, and thus arguing will be pointless if the other person won't agree with me (and changing somebody else's mind is extremely difficult), or I avoid arguing on topics I have no certain knowledge about.
    ENTj 7-3-8 sx/sp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    I enjoy debates, I am always seeking likeminded to people, or near enough to thrash out certain subjects. My mating ritual lol pretty much involves heady debates, argueing, challenging my ideas and me theirs, the more intelligent the man, the more intrigued I will become, I lose total interest when someone has no debate skills, or no willingness to touch certain subjects.
    Yes.

    Most of the people I dated, typically caught my interest on the opposing side of a debate. Yum.

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    I've never felt a craving for it, but I find myself doing it sometimes without having planned on it. Most people I know in real life don't enjoy it whatsoever, though. Some just always end up believing me and some get offended that I'm doubting them. I don't think I argue as much as I used to. I'm not as inclined to want to pull my hair out when people don't make sense these days. Sometimes, I even see opposing viewpoints as beautiful, even if I think they are basically retarded.
    "When a resolute young fellow steps up the great bully, the world, and takes him boldly by the beard, he is often surprised to find that it comes off in his hand, and that it was only tied on to scare away the timid adventurers." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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