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    Default What you don't like or don't understand about INTJs?

    I see that people are saying a lot of bad stuff about INTJs around the forum.
    So I am wondering how many of those claims are for real and how many are said just for the sake of it. I am petty sure that on this forum there must be a thread about this already but I will start a new one.
    Also I place it here so that we get more private atmosphere and if someone has a question I will try to answer it.


    I am wondering a lot do we really have the what it takes to be scray as some people say?


    To reduce generalization I will split INTJs into three groups -balanced , standard and expressed. But I will not define them in detail since that would be too subjective. This is just so that we heve easier time with communication.


    Basicly: Balanced are actually quite normal people.
    Standard would majority of INTJ and they have many typical INTJ traits. Expressed are very likely to have some personaity disorders and they have an issue with pretty much everything. But this does not imply that they are unsuccesful in life.


    There is no need to be too nice here.
    But you probably already know that.

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    In the other thread there is a conversation about why some INTJs are such a emotional retairds. So I will post my explanation here.

    The most obvious element of theis is that your feeling side is underdeveloped. But that still means that a person has a chance to have an emotional outburst from time to time.


    In my opinion the real reason for this are not analytical methods like Te and Ti which are logical suspects. (we all have 8 functions)
    The real cause is actually Ni. Since Ni makes you detached form yourself or it can make you totally in controle of yourself.

    Since Ni is an expert for watching things from detached perspective or watching things that wre not there/around you and watching the big picture which many tend to miss.

    Here is one old post of mine.


    I see that in the last few days many people are interested in Ni and they would want to develop Ni. Of course I can only speak about INTJ Ni.

    Everything told so far was the good side but there is a dark side of entire story. I am posting this in this thread because it is related to things like love and sex.


    Well the whole thing is that brain is built this way and you are helpless about it. But that would not be such a problem if our reality is "more normal" place.

    What I mean by this is that (scientific) knowledge is the key part here.
    Scientific knowledge is the fuel for the process(Ni). As knowledge grows the process is becoming more and more complex.


    Also many things in that knowledge are against the common sense (S).
    So more and more people do not understand you, as you go deeper.
    At one point you will get far enough that you can accept things that are not "normal" or obvious.




    From more practical view that looks like this.


    Since I am geology student I am driving hundreds of millions of years up and down every day so my view of the time is different then how most people see it.


    Imagine this scenario. I and another person are in the middle of the nowhere.
    Then the other person asks How did those rocks form?

    Me: Well, those rocks were formed in the shallow sea along the northern coasts of Africa some 230 millions of years ago.

    That would not be strange in the case that we are not on the mountain some 1200 meters above the sea level and the sea is not visible from the mountain at all. Plus we are in the middle of Europe.



    Also only few people are aware of the fact that only a few kilometers/miles beneath our houses there are hellish conditions.
    Or knowing, that the Earth will probably not be able to support mankind in it's current number. (Read billions of dead people)


    Also I am big fan of Astronomy so I would dare to say that I am more aware then the others about our position if we take a look at the big picture.
    This includes knowing that in the car at the 200 km/h you will need about
    23 000 000 years to reach the nearest star.
    Which is only 4.24 light years away and there are stars that are billions of light years away.
    Plus - time is not constant in all parts of the reality, our picture of the world is illusion (it is illusion created by the brain), black holes, asteroid impacts, and countless billions of years that are yet to come.


    It is one thing to read something like this in some magazine from time to time and another thing is to be fully aware of it all the time. Since I am professionally into the hard science my chances of forgetting things like this with time are 0.

    Why I am saying all of this?

    Imagine something quite normal.
    Woman had a relationship with some guy for six years. It was a very good and healthy relationship. Plus everybody knew them as a couple and liked them as people.
    One day love went away and they brake up. (Actually he brake up with her)
    Few hours later woman is desperate, there is a lot of screaming, crying .
    I mean how can I have empathy/simapthy for her?
    When you have so much abstractions and so much abstract/negative things in your head and you are so aware of the big picture.
    It is very hard to be in contact with emotions of other people if you are like that.

    Example number 2: Father of one of your friend dies in a car accident.

    Why should someone be unhappy about it?
    People die like this every day. Thousands die like this every single day.
    Was he better then all those people so he deserves that you feel bad about it? Does your friend have the right to expect for you to feel bad about it?
    Ok a guy died but there are still 6 854 927 726 other people that have survived the accident. After all where will you end up if you cry for all the people that died just in your hometown? All of those people are worth of crying why stop on this one?


    I admit that I am cold-hearted son of a bitch. I am guilty for that crime for sure. But in my own defence: for example I can be very good ally in times of crisis, I have a sense of humor (dark one, but it is still sense of humor), I don't have problems with stress, I am not violent, I have low probability of getting in trouble (that is because my interests are very narrow)
    I dont enjoy in physical pleasures and I am emotionally very stabile.


    I simply cant be in touch with emotions of other people because I am too abstract as person.
    I have lost almost all empathy since I am living with this kind of ideas for years and I am very interested in them.
    Problems like ones that are mentioned are simply too small to be really important. This kind of thinking makes person none empathic in the real life and when I am in my abstract world I cant use emotions normaly since I am detached from everything.


    So, in the end a person end up in situation that it cant relate to anyone or anything that is part of everyday life (romance included).


    This is why expressed INTJs can look like robots in many situartions. It is just that our energy is channeled in the places where you can't observe results/efects. Also this is the main reason why we are so unsocial since our abstract world can provide energy we need and we don't need others to give us this energy.




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    I have question for other INTJs.

    When you are with the group of people outside do je tend to walk behind them ?
    If so, why do you do this?

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    What you don't like or don't understand about INTJs?

    why you guys like figging so much.

    Ok, just teasing. I like INTJs just fine. My only issue that I've run across is that it takes a long time for them to accept any blame. It's always someone else's fault. But no one is infallible.

    I think people get scared because INTJ humor can be very dark and delivered in such a deadpan way that you really don't know if it's a joke or real. But you guys are like a bucket of kittens to me...

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    intjs are either extremely interesting or extremely boring. i have no judgment to bestow simplistically on all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wastrd View Post
    intjs are either extremely interesting or extremely boring. i have no judgment to bestow simplistically on all of them.
    I can see this. I really like INTJs. I guess because of my nonthreatening presence they often show me some of those feelings you NTs don't seem to enjoy indulging in. I like that they're willing to discuss their interesting ideas and theories with me and humor my irrational tendencies in conversation (once they've opened up and decided to put down their guard).

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    I didn't think i was allowed to post here. Cool.
    I think the protector in me see's how different you lot are to the rest of the world. It pulls at my heart strings. You lot dont like that, i know you dont need protecting etc but there is something captivating about you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    This is why expressed INTJs can look like robots in many situartions. It is just that our energy is channeled in the places where you can't observe results/efects.
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    And that is what i need to be able to see. Results and effects.

    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
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    My only issue that I've run across is that it takes a long time for them to accept any blame. It's always someone else's fault. But no one is infallible.

    I think people get scared because INTJ humor can be very dark and delivered in such a deadpan way that you really don't know if it's a joke or real. But you guys are like a bucket of kittens to me...
    Spot on with the blame issue. Their humour i do like. Especially when they let off a smelly fart in a supermarket and run round the corner knowing someone is walking in my direction so will be thinking i let one go. Lmao

    Quote Originally Posted by wastrd View Post
    intjs are either extremely interesting or extremely boring. i have no judgment to bestow simplistically on all of them.
    I like their minds and the way they articulate themselves. I can see the cogs going. Even with subjects i find boring, i still find myself listening. This is only face to face and not on the forums as it comes out as a book and i understand that your trying to get your point across clearly and precisely. So ehhh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thessaly View Post
    (once they've opened up and decided to put down their guard).
    And i thought i had a problem with keeping my guard up. From my perception, its nothing compared to you INTJ's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I have question for other INTJs.

    When you are with the group of people outside do je tend to walk behind them ?
    If so, why do you do this?
    Depends on the people involved - I would never impose myself if I even got an inkling of a feeling that the other person preferred to walk/talk with someone else (I'm actually really sensitive to this)...I notice a lot of people "fight" to be able to walk next to someone or not be at the edges of a group picture...I guess I do relatively often end up to the sides or walking on my own just because I don't really care and don't want to put in the effort to elbow my way to the center.

    This dynamic is especially obvious with new people and S people when we've just met - they are a bit distrustful, I think. The better people know me, the more often they join me on the sidewalk. And then there are the people that just won't let go from the first meeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I have question for other INTJs.

    When you are with the group of people outside do je tend to walk behind them ?
    If so, why do you do this?
    Anyone else ?

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    I can list any number of both positive and negative traits of INTJs -

    One person whom has been both a gaming buddy, competitive PVP (player vs. player) gaming buddy, intellectual opponent, and otherwise all around awesome person is ma buddy Yax. I've known him for six years. We met in Phantasy Star Online. We PVPed, I kicked his ass. He can hold his own. He'll piss and moan about shit, that's his shield of dignity. But he really is rotten to the core.

    I wouldn't put it passed him to kick my ass in PVP. Then to start mooing at my dead corpse. He knows what's coming.

    My theories in car racing are all messed up - according to him. I can't possibly take him on with a lower class car, and beat him. I smoked him alright. Then with the mooing. He promptly wiped the floor with me next round.

    Awesome man, awesome.

    Other INTJs I run into - It starts as an uneasy alliance, it takes a number of years to grow. They're greatly tolerate once they know a person.

    But I have to deal with their mooing.
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