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    Some of them have a great sense of humor and wit.
    What can I say, I think some of them are hilarious.

    The ones who are like inhuman robots?
    I have no way to identify with people like that.
    Nor do I care to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poppy View Post
    "I think you are competent enough that rather than look this up on the internet I will ask you about it"
    I enjoyed and appreciate your response. I guess the biggest thing is, my friendship with the INTJ feels like it has devolved to a one-way street. I have zero involvement at this point. Interesting that my competence is rewarded in this case with increased demands (admittedly, a shallow way of observing). I do enjoy that he comes to me for advice.

    Though that being said, he introduced me to and taught me much about MBTI a year ago.

    is there no way to delete posts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valuable_Money View Post
    Why do you have a thread like this in almost every type-sub-forum?
    I do? I'm not even the op though.

    Quote Originally Posted by poppy View Post
    Now these are very interesting complaints! (And I mean this genuinely, not sarcastically)
    I'm prone to dropping off the face of the planet and ignoring calls and texts even from good friends. I don't blame you for being bothered by it, I have no doubt that it comes off as very rude. Sometimes socializing is so tiring though, that I can't seem to muster up the energy to reply, or I know that if I do reply I will come off as hostile because my introvert needs haven't been tended to and I will subconsciously try to get more space by being, well, kind of a bitch.
    As far as calling for help with random questions, I think this is his way of trying to show that he values you! There are very very few people I ask for help, and when I do, it's my way of saying "I want to talk to you, but I don't want to engage in small talk, and I think you are competent enough that rather than look this up on the internet I will ask you about it".
    I do the same too, except I could also be ignoring you too, but if I would call you back then I probably wouldn't be ignoring you.

    I agree though, being ignored definitely sucks. It's one of the worst things you can do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I like INTJs just fine. They're awesome.

    I understand most of what they do, but what I don't understand is why they're so driven and motivated by accomplishment, why they care more about making something work than having it make sense. I also don't understand where their motivation comes from, or where they get all those feelings about the goodness of their ideas without any external reinforcement.

    In other words, I don't understand Te and Fi.
    Because to an inventor the moment of actualizing your visions is one of the most uplifting experiences you can have. A job well done makes you feel good. You get like high off it basically I bet there is a bunch of dopamine spewing out of our heads.

    What do you mean by goodness of their ideas without external reinforement? Does that mean how much we value our ideas without input from others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJ123 View Post
    Because to an inventor the moment of actualizing your visions is one of the most uplifting experiences you can have. A job well done makes you feel good. You get like high off it basically I bet there is a bunch of dopamine spewing out of our heads.
    Ah, I see. For me the uplift comes from understanding my vision and conveying that understanding to others in some way... perhaps so they they can invent something from it.
    What do you mean by goodness of their ideas without external reinforement? Does that mean how much we value our ideas without input from others?
    Yes, I think that's what it means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Ah, I see. For me the uplift comes from understanding my vision and conveying that understanding to others in some way... perhaps so they they can invent something from it.
    Yes. That's the difference between intjs and infjs, being an F makes you alot more interested in people, people stereotype the E for that but it's only part of the case. Being the T makes us alot more objectified, we are likely to be drawn towards things instead of people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Yes, I think that's what it means.
    Well I guess we have an intense connection with our true desires, that is where that fire comes from, the spark of passion. The thought of transforming the desire into a reality is what keeps us going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJ123 View Post
    Yes. That's the difference between intjs and infjs, being an F makes you alot more interested in people, people stereotype the E for that but it's only part of the case. Being the T makes us alot more objectified, we are likely to be drawn towards things instead of people.
    Ah. Yes, that sounds reasonable enough.
    Well I guess we have an intense connection with our true desires, that is where that fire comes from, the spark of passion. The thought of transforming the desire into a reality is what keeps us going.
    Now I can sort of imagine this... although I'm consciously aware of my true desires, I feel a sort of disconnection from them, as if I were looking at my own desires from the outside. That must be why the spark of passion has to come from outside... because to us, our own desires are just another voice in the crowd.

    This seems like an Fe/Fi thing, though, so I guess it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Ah. Yes, that sounds reasonable enough.


    Now I can sort of imagine this... although I'm consciously aware of my true desires, I feel a sort of disconnection from them, as if I were looking at my own desires from the outside. That must be why the spark of passion has to come from outside... because to us, our own desires are just another voice in the crowd.

    This seems like an Fe/Fi thing, though, so I guess it makes sense.
    yea my Fi is kinda funny, it comes out in little hints, like I'll try to think of environmentally safe technologies for the good of everyone, while at the same time serving my own agenda of advancing the technology itself. The thing is I usually don't emphasize it's for the good of everyone, I might just say, it's more efficient or something.

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    Wow, firstly i didn't realise it was common for INTJ to walk behind the crowd. He always walked infront. I thought it was because he didn't want to be seen with me and the kids. Lol, now i know.


    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I like INTJs just fine. They're awesome.

    I understand most of what they do, but what I don't understand is why they're so driven and motivated by accomplishment, why they care more about making something work than having it make sense. I also don't understand where their motivation comes from, or where they get all those feelings about the goodness of their ideas without any external reinforcement.

    In other words, I don't understand Te and Fi.
    OK, so if an INTJ is not motivated by accomplishments and so driven. What is he? He had ideas, don't get me wrong but that is all they were. I saw his potential and even pushed him into jobs where he had the potential to be great. He just couldn't hold down the job (maybe due to the social element of it, i don't know). I didn't understand him. He was great and he knew it yet he lacked something. *sigh*. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamp View Post
    I enjoyed and appreciate your response. I guess the biggest thing is, my friendship with the INTJ feels like it has devolved to a one-way street. I have zero involvement at this point. Interesting that my competence is rewarded in this case with increased demands (admittedly, a shallow way of observing). I do enjoy that he comes to me for advice.

    Though that being said, he introduced me to and taught me much about MBTI a year ago.

    is there no way to delete posts?
    I completely understand, it sucks when your needs in a friendship aren't being met, and it's nice to be able to voice them. I'm glad you contributed because it was something other than the usual comments on INTJs, and a good reminder to me (there are at least 3 or 4 people I've been putting off talking to)
    "There's no need to be embarrassed about it, Mr. Spock. It happens to the birds and the bees!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by saslou View Post
    OK, so if an INTJ is not motivated by accomplishments and so driven. What is he? He had ideas, don't get me wrong but that is all they were. I saw his potential and even pushed him into jobs where he had the potential to be great. He just couldn't hold down the job (maybe due to the social element of it, i don't know). I didn't understand him. He was great and he knew it yet he lacked something. *sigh*. Oh well.
    It's not the practicality of a career that motivates the INTJ, it's what 'career' provides as to better cultivate internal vision of identity. 'Career' is an excuse to pursue identity, while getting paid. Nothing more.

    Frothy terminology like 'job satisfaction' and '5-year plan' are often artificial landmarks offered as blunt distraction. Or as a shield, if you like, intended to haze unwanted visibility from his real goals. This is done to prevent misguided curiosity from changing the complexion of what he finds significant. Buying into 'workforce culture' is typically an expression of insincerity for the INTJ, as it requires abandonment of individuality in favor of easy group participation.

    I suspect this is one of the primary differences between xNTJs and xSTJs.

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