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    I didn't get a chance to read the whole thread, but in some models of understanding thoughts and behaviors, logic and intuition are placed at opposing ends of a continuum. Even in the old Star Trek dichotomy of Mr. Spock and Kirk we find this way of organizing thought explored.

    MBTI organizes this differently and there are examples where intuition and logic can work in tandem. The thread i started about Susan Polgar, a chess genius, demonstrates a way of combining these two thought processes.

    I'm not convinced that placing logic and intuition at mutually exclusive poles is correct in the same way logic and empathy don't function at mutually exclusive poles. There is the possibility for the presence or absence of rational, logical thought, but what replaces logic/reason in its absence? Is it by default intuition or empathy? I have not heard a compelling case for a specific thought process that by default fills in for the lack of logic. You could certainly put logical and illogical at opposite poles, but being illogical is more an absence of reason than the presence of a certain way of thinking. The absence of intuition does not by nature produce logic any more than the absence of empathy produces logic.
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    in casual terms i understand you

    in formal terms, normal and natural are not the same.

    but its no big deal, as i said, i will wave the word 'natural' in favour of a better one
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    Let's say N is a planet.

    T is a satellite with laser beams destroying all of the stupid people of planet N.
    Ti = 19 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Te = 16[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Ne = 16[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Fi = 15 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Si = 12 [][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Ni = 12 [][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Se = 11[][][][][][][][][][][]
    Fe = 0

    -----------------
    Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
    Man got to sit and wonder why, why, why;
    Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
    Man got to tell himself he understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    Let's say N is a planet.

    T is a satellite with laser beams destroying all of the stupid people of planet N.
    And conversely, leaving all the smart ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Costrin View Post
    And conversely, leaving all the smart ones.
    I don't really think that that needed to be pointed out. vv
    Ti = 19 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Te = 16[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Ne = 16[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Fi = 15 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Si = 12 [][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Ni = 12 [][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Se = 11[][][][][][][][][][][]
    Fe = 0

    -----------------
    Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
    Man got to sit and wonder why, why, why;
    Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
    Man got to tell himself he understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    I don't really think that that needed to be pointed out. vv
    You'd think so, but you'd be surprised.
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    But now all of the stupid people are onto us.
    Ti = 19 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Te = 16[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Ne = 16[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Fi = 15 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Si = 12 [][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Ni = 12 [][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Se = 11[][][][][][][][][][][]
    Fe = 0

    -----------------
    Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
    Man got to sit and wonder why, why, why;
    Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
    Man got to tell himself he understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    But now all of the stupid people are onto us.
    Don't worry. Anyone could have gotten it beforehand.

    If you destroy all the stupid people (let's say people with an IQ < 120), only smart people could be left (IQ => 120).

    I only have an IQ of 112, and I still got it before it was explained. It hardly required genius to figure out. Really wasn't that clever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    But now all of the stupid people are onto us.
    I think there's something stupid about people who blindly assume that logic is the only form of intelligence by which one can be measured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I think there's something stupid about people who blindly assume that logic is the only form of intelligence by which one can be measured.
    Well, logic and intelligence are usually used interchangeably. It's not hard to imagine that some people think they're the same thing.

    I say let them have the word "intelligence." We still have other words that can measure us in other ways. Stupid shouldn't be such an insult if a person has other positive qualities. It just tends to be, for some reason.

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