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    I saw a profile description for ENTP on facebook just recently:

    ENTP - The Inventor
    Restless, argumentative, creative, and cutting-edge. Has a lot of energy and thrives on debating and challenging others. Good at putting things together in innovative ways.
    If an ENTP is basically forced into isolation from people, they would logically have very low energy right? (Since extroverts gain energy from being around people). I find that I don't ever seem to have energy, I'm usually at home constantly and trying to pass the time, bored shitless. I'll occasionally go on a knowledge quest, but most of the time I spend staying up till 5 am... I suppose trying to find someone to talk to. (:smiley_violin: damn that sounds so sad...). The problem is, this interferes with my work, I'm constantly having to shift my body clock back to get up for university lectures, and that often turns out pretty bad too.

    Once upon a time, I think I dealt with this by playing video games non stop, as soon as I stopped that, things suddenly changed a bit. How can I be sure that I'm not an introvert? Am I an extrovert that's just failed to build up a decent network of friends yet?
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    The general consensus seems to point to ENTPs being among the most introverted of the extroverts. My brother's an ENTP and will hole himself up for weeks at a time hoarding information of various sorts. I do the same. The difference is that when we encounter other people, if he feels moderately comfortable he will launch himself into discourse whereas I am snail-trailing behind him watching for a pause to interject myself or a one-on-one opportunity.

    But we both definitely do the hermetic culling of information (t.v., internet, books, private projects etc.). Of the two of us, I seem to be much better at stopping cold-turkey any activities that seem to be absorbing an unhealthy amount of time (such as MMORPGs). He seems better at propelling himself out of his own funks and marching into the real world armed for action. Make of that what you will.
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    I don't have low energy in isolation - I just keep trucking along. But I do gain more energy after talking with someone. In general, I have a lot of energy, just not a lot of motivation. I spend the majority of my days alone, and I prefer it that way, even though it sometimes bores me to tears. I like it better because then I am free to pursue whatever comes up if I feel like it. Sometimes it's boring, but I'd rather be bored alone than bored with someone else's company (which happens more often than not.) But yeah, I lead a pretty isolated life by choice and I am definitely an extrovert.

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    i don't have low energy either. i enjoy spending time with people, but i enjoy spending time alone as well. i don't per se feel more energized by either function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post
    If an ENTP is basically forced into isolation from people, they would logically have very low energy right? (Since extroverts gain energy from being around people). I find that I don't ever seem to have energy, I'm usually at home constantly and trying to pass the time, bored shitless. I'll occasionally go on a knowledge quest, but most of the time I spend staying up till 5 am... I suppose trying to find someone to talk to. (:smiley_violin: damn that sounds so sad...). The problem is, this interferes with my work, I'm constantly having to shift my body clock back to get up for university lectures, and that often turns out pretty bad too.

    Once upon a time, I think I dealt with this by playing video games non stop, as soon as I stopped that, things suddenly changed a bit. How can I be sure that I'm not an introvert? Am I an extrovert that's just failed to build up a decent network of friends yet?
    You can look at this by thinking about the differences between Ne and Se. A primary Se goes skydiving, if he is bored, but what should the primary Ne do ? It's not so easy with that one, to find something that caughts its intrest.

    With the entp I think extroversion basically comes from the ability to be actually able to explain ones feelings to others, cause when talking with them for prolonged time, you have built a mutual bridge of understanding. And besides that with logic dominant over your emotions, it gives you the ability to see your feelings rationally, though 90% of them slip through your grasp and you first get to know of their existence through others, which are better at the shit.

    I can relate to 90% of what you said. I have the same troubles with university lectures and I once did small game development aswell. Tried myself on the Irrlicht Engine and the Microsoft GDK.

    The last 10% are: I hate boredom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    The general consensus seems to point to ENTPs being among the most introverted of the extroverts. My brother's an ENTP and will hole himself up for weeks at a time hoarding information of various sorts. I do the same. The difference is that when we encounter other people, if he feels moderately comfortable he will launch himself into discourse whereas I am snail-trailing behind him watching for a pause to interject myself or a one-on-one opportunity.

    But we both definitely do the hermetic culling of information (t.v., internet, books, private projects etc.). Of the two of us, I seem to be much better at stopping cold-turkey any activities that seem to be absorbing an unhealthy amount of time (such as MMORPGs). He seems better at propelling himself out of his own funks and marching into the real world armed for action. Make of that what you will.
    That's so similar to my experience that I'm truly horrified . I tend to unleash my information on people, and when I don't have enough, I'll probe them for answers to about ten different complex questions... Other people can never seem to answer them, I am glad we live in an age full of internet goodness.

    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I don't have low energy in isolation - I just keep trucking along. But I do gain more energy after talking with someone. In general, I have a lot of energy, just not a lot of motivation. I spend the majority of my days alone, and I prefer it that way, even though it sometimes bores me to tears. I like it better because then I am free to pursue whatever comes up if I feel like it. Sometimes it's boring, but I'd rather be bored alone than bored with someone else's company (which happens more often than not.) But yeah, I lead a pretty isolated life by choice and I am definitely an extrovert.
    I seem to doubt my extroversion periodically, it seems to fluctuate around a bit. Some of the not having much energy on my behalf I could probably more or less account to lack of sleep, exercise and nutrition... I didn't even realize till now.

    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    You can look at this by thinking about the differences between Ne and Se. A primary Se goes skydiving, if he is bored, but what should the primary Ne do ? It's not so easy with that one, to find something that caughts its intrest.

    With the entp I think extroversion basically comes from the ability to be actually able to explain ones feelings to others, cause when talking with them for prolonged time, you have built a mutual bridge of understanding. And besides that with logic dominant over your emotions, it gives you the ability to see your feelings rationally, though 90% of them slip through your grasp and you first get to know of their existence through others, which are better at the shit.

    I can relate to 90% of what you said. I have the same troubles with university lectures and I once did small game development as well. Tried myself on the Irrlicht Engine and the Microsoft GDK.

    The last 10% are: I hate boredom.
    I was looking into Nicola Tesla and Feynman, They are both ENTP and seem to be rather introverted. It kind of makes sense, I doubt myself way too damn much I think. The strange thing I find is the whole ISXX being considered more extroverted than ENXPs, how often is this true?
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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post
    That's so similar to my experience that I'm truly horrified . I tend to unleash my information on people, and when I don't have enough, I'll probe them for answers to about ten different complex questions... Other people can never seem to answer them, I am glad we live in an age full of internet goodness.

    I seem to doubt my extroversion periodically, it seems to fluctuate around a bit. Some of the not having much energy on my behalf I could probably more or less account to lack of sleep, exercise and nutrition... I didn't even realize till now.

    I was looking into Nicola Tesla and Feynman, They are both ENTP and seem to be rather introverted. It kind of makes sense, I doubt myself way too damn much I think. The strange thing I find is the whole ISXX being considered more extroverted than ENXPs, how often is this true?
    I believe the point is that you can still be rather introverted, while leading with an extraverted function. (I think there is a distinction between extroverts and extraverted functions, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)

    In this sense, we can be withdrawn socially but still look to external matters to fuel our dominant function, which is intuition. I think ESTPs, because their dominant function is sensory, tend to be out and about more. While extraverted intuition can happen by observation - but for me it also happens with interaction. Hearing someone say something sets my mind off on a million tangents and I want to explore more. But after I've collected all these butterflies, I run home to withdraw and dissect in solitude.

    When I am out with people, I can be extremely social and operate in NeFe mode. But I don't always feel like being "on", even though it is physically energizing for me.

    With the availability of the internet, I find that I no longer require physical people to feed the beast and I consider myself some what of a shut in. This mentally energizes me and leads me to be up all night. If people didn't make so much of an effort to be in my life, they would slowly drift away into oblivion and I probably wouldn't notice or even care. But maybe that's just me...

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    ENTPs are soo queer

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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post
    If an ENTP is basically forced into isolation from people, they would logically have very low energy right? (Since extroverts gain energy from being around people). I find that I don't ever seem to have energy, I'm usually at home constantly and trying to pass the time, bored shitless. I'll occasionally go on a knowledge quest, but most of the time I spend staying up till 5 am... I suppose trying to find someone to talk to. (:smiley_violin: damn that sounds so sad...). The problem is, this interferes with my work, I'm constantly having to shift my body clock back to get up for university lectures, and that often turns out pretty bad too.

    Once upon a time, I think I dealt with this by playing video games non stop, as soon as I stopped that, things suddenly changed a bit. How can I be sure that I'm not an introvert? Am I an extrovert that's just failed to build up a decent network of friends yet?
    This is something I've been debating with a lot too. I may be off-base here as I'm new to this, but I think ENTP's are probably one of the least social "E" types not neccisarily by choice, but it's simply hard to find like minded people who will tolerate our favorite mode of conversation.

    I know in a lot of groups I simply feel alienated every time I try to join the conversation because what I say, while interesting, is either too obscure for most people to want to pick up or too charged and people don't want to start a debate.

    Very big groups seem to be the worst. There are enough types that tend to curb their behavior to fit the perceived norm, and they won't feel comfortable discussing more unique topics with you in the presence of too many people. I don't completely understand it myself, I guess they're worried about feeling weird?

    If I can't relate with Ne most of the time I fall back to Ti and become very quite and contemplative, at this point I may just want to go home and play video games, because I just feel so out of sorts with everyone else.

    My best success has been with smaller groups, maybe 3-5 people, hanging out in a laid back environment. People tend to be a lot more accepting, even appreciating our particular brand of weirdness when they don't feel like we're liabilities to them socially.

    I completely relate to you with the introverted vs extroverted thing. The more time I spend alone, the less energy I have, which makes it that much harder for me to get out of my house. I'll get very melancholic if I'm alone and don't have something on hand to immerse myself in. Maybe ENTP's are more prone to isolating themselves?

    Lucky for me most of my friends are stoners, and keep me around to entertain them with my theories and arguments.

    I'm usually up 'till 5am too >.<
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cady View Post
    This is something I've been debating with a lot too. I may be off-base here as I'm new to this, but I think ENTP's are probably one of the least social "E" types not neccisarily by choice, but it's simply hard to find like minded people who will tolerate our favorite mode of conversation.
    No, you are right. We kept to distinguish between social extroversion and Ne. The latter means the entp likes input from the outside world to get to know new things. But it doesnt mean he needs the outside world...
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