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    Filthy Apes! Kalach's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    The fact that it doesn't seem to make any sense... makes it more moving?
    To a degree. The business of changing everything that stands before one is likely, in reality, going to fail. But the conviction, becoming the conviction, says you won't fail. So... get going and do.


    Don't you mean, "I think, therefore I am"? What you just said seems a little... well, impossible. Will is just another force that can contribute to an outcome, it doesn't make sense to attribute more power or meaning to it than to the other forces at work in a given situation. Does it?
    Thus the tear.

    One may concentrate on the likely failure of the action to come, or one may accept the conviction and act. Since INTJs are in to efficient, successful action, it only makes sense that the strongest truest test is the one where you must fail, but won't, because by your conviction, you must not, and therefore will not. I will, therefore I am.


    Probably works better in movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I don't understand - is this a joke about his age?
    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    i think the implication was that it took 31 years for that person to realize his shortcomings and correct them
    thisGuy is correct. He saw something that would help him attain certain goals and went for it until it worked. But it did take him that long to find out he wanted it and to achieve it (though I'm sure he'd argue with me on how close to success he is).
    Dreams are best served manifest and tangible.

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    Sorry, didn't mean to sound dense... it just sounded kind of like me and I didn't get why realizing something at 31 was so strange or funny, but I guess I can see it now. I started to become a "nice" person around age 28. In a way, up until that point I was too focused on other things to really notice. Well, better late than never...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    If you really want to see an INTJ cry an honest tear, represent to her an example of someone who chooses a conviction and acts upon it, and gains the strength to act by knowing that he intends to change everything that stands before him, and not because he seeks chaos, but because what is true is true.
    Trufax.

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    Or, represent herself to her, herself taken to the utmost end, throwing away all hope in life because of who she is:

    Remains of the Day.
    Shadowlands

    I almost never cry over films. With both of these, I howled. I was inconsolable because they showed me the chasm that lies at my feet.

    Please note: I was alone when I watched them. I would never have done that if someone else had been with me. Like all INTJs, I do have a little self-respect.

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    well whatever....INTJs in general miss out on life a bit too much

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    well whatever....INTJs in general miss out on life a bit too much
    I just hope that you undersatnd how subjective this claim is.


    We are so uninterested exactly because we have too much on our minds so we don't bother that much with things in our socilal environment.
    INTJs are quite alive actually, it is just that we are alive in a different way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    well whatever....INTJs in general miss out on life a bit too much
    Eh.

    I think you're conflating terminology. At the risk of soapboxing, I'll summarize an easy counterpoint:

    It's not incumbent on the INTJ to domesticate what he finds personally gratifying against popular social mores, just as it isn't prudent for the ENTP to necessarily presume that his approach will be adopted by anyone other than him - even within his type. Actually, intra-typal friction is often an enthusiastic response to the wide-arching conformism of the MBTI. Individuality is far more relevant than type.

    What one finds meaningful doesn't have to be a universal characteristic for it to have gravity.

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    at the taste of barely edible food at theaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    well whatever....INTJs in general miss out on life a bit too much
    Is it really missing if you don't miss it?
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