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    But we have exactly the same emotions and the same amount of those emotions (I think), we just deal with them differently. :P

    (Or rather said, we deal with them were Feelers do not, probably. :P)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    But we have exactly the same emotions and the same amount of those emotions (I think), we just deal with them differently. :P

    (Or rather said, we deal with them were Feelers do not, probably. :P)
    You do? Are you sure you're a T?

    Perhaps you should try asking some NTs that question before assuming such things. Many of them seem to insist that they don't have the same emotions in the same amounts, though they do have some weakened/diluted ones.

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    I'm 100% positive I am an INTP and I'm 100% positive I have very strong feelings. I just have a very strong control over my feelings. I kind off assumed it's the same for every NT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    (Or rather said, we deal with them were Feelers do not, probably. :P)
    If we talk of extremes: Opposite, Feelers DEAL with their feelings, while thinkers do not.

    This may look like 'control'....but, it's really just ignorance of a feeling-based problem, hence superficial 'control'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    If we talk of extremes: Opposite, Feelers DEAL with their feelings, while thinkers do not.

    This may look like 'control'....but, it's really just ignorance of a feeling-based problem, hence superficial 'control'.
    It's obviously a biased concept.

    Thinkers: We feel, consider our feelings, process them through our thinking state and assume the most logical course of action. To us, that is control.

    Feelers feel and let their actions be influenced directly by their emotions. To them that is control.

    I still think both parties have, or can have, the same amount of emotions. And the same strength of emotions.

    So,

    it's really just ignorance of a feeling-based problem
    is an arguement I am unable to put any worth or value into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    It's obviously a biased concept.

    Thinkers: We feel, consider our feelings, process them through our thinking state and assume the most logical course of action. To us, that is control.
    How can you consider your feelings if you then process it through thinking?

    To consider a feeling, one must consider the 'felt' aspect as THE key to feeling, wouldn't one? So, bringing that to the realm of thinking, negates the felt.

    (again, as we talk of extremes)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    How can you consider your feelings if you then process it through thinking?

    To consider a feeling, one must consider the 'felt' aspect as THE key to feeling, wouldn't one? So, bringing that to the realm of thinking, negates the felt.

    (again, as we talk of extremes)
    Ehh..

    A very crude and generic example. Try not to take it too literal.

    Person gets stood up by a friend.

    Feeler feels pain, openly expresses that pain, probably immidiatly start cussing or blaming the friend for their inadequacy. Are visibly annoyed. Meanwhile just letting the emotions run. If their really in a bad mood they'll probably call that friend with some kind of silly ultimatum of sorts. And afterwards probably regret their actions as they start processing the situation.

    Thinker feels the same pain, but almost immidiatly starts to rationalize the situation. Why was I stood up? How can I prevent it in the future? Should I remain friends or just not bother? Should I give the benefit of the doubt, or shouldn't I? They're not openly expressing their pain because they're immidiatly starting to process the situation.

    In both situations, both feeler and thinker felt the exact same emotion. A third person however would not be able to perceive that, as both do seem to react differently.

    I agree, it's a pretty bad and extreme example, but that is at this moment anyhow, my stance towards the difference between F and T. It has nothing to do with having a certain amount of emotions, but with how we act on our emotions. And so far I have not found any clues to suggest otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Ehh..

    A very crude and generic example. Try not to take it too literal.

    Person gets stood up by a friend.

    Feeler feels pain, openly expresses that pain, probably immidiatly start cussing or blaming the friend for their inadequacy. Are visibly annoyed. Meanwhile just letting the emotions run. If their really in a bad mood they'll probably call that friend with some kind of silly ultimatum of sorts. And afterwards probably regret their actions as they start processing the situation.

    Thinker feels the same pain, but almost immidiatly starts to rationalize the situation. Why was I stood up? How can I prevent it in the future? Should I remain friends or just not bother? Should I give the benefit of the doubt, or shouldn't I? They're not openly expressing their pain because they're immidiatly starting to process the situation.

    In both situations, both feeler and thinker felt the exact same emotion. A third person however would not be able to perceive that, as both do seem to react differently.

    I agree, it's a pretty bad and extreme example, but that is at this moment anyhow, my stance towards the difference between F and T. It has nothing to do with emotions, but with how we act on our emotions. And so far I have not found any clues to suggest otherwise.
    I wouldn't act anything like the F in your example, because I would be more concerned with how that behavior would affect people's perception of me, and the potential consequences of that behavior. I wouldn't even be that upset about it, honestly... I'd just be mildly annoyed that things didn't go as planned, and that by showing up I'd wasted energy and attention I could have spent doing something else. Out of curiosity, why is the situation so upsetting that someone would curse? I don't see it.

    If anything, I would have thought Ts had less control of their emotions due to being less aware of them, and would thus act more like the F in your example when they were overwhelmed by their emotions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Seriously though, why do people believe rational thinkers are emotionless. :P
    Name the last time you emoted and actually made a scene of one kind or another. I'd bet those instances are separated by quite a margin.

    People often think I'm fairly cool and unemotional, except those that know me well and can read small print. You should have seen the jaws hit the floor at my wedding when I pretty much hugged EVERYONE. I think even my father was impressed by how much I can switch it on when I'm motivated to do so. Mind you that's the thing isn't it. Spending all that time analysing often leaves too little time to actually show the results.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Maybe I'm just a very odd T.

    Name the last time you emoted and actually made a scene of one kind or another. I'd bet those instances are separated by quite a margin.
    Like I said, I don't think expressing emotions has ANYTHING to do with having emotions.

    As for showing my emotions, if someone at work is being particularly stupid and unwilling to listen I get very agitated and angry. Not because I want to be angry, but because I think that that's the only remaining thing that might make the lights in their dull brains turn on.

    Same for all emotions, when I think there is a need to show emotions, I will. But I won't if I don't think it's neccesary or required. I still have very strong emotions nonetheless.
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