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    Drink. Always works for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    Drink. Always works for me.
    When i drink, i get different effects. I'm much more socialable sober.
    This post grammatical errors had been intentionally left uncorrected.

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    Being extraverted comes from the desire to be around and interact with people, and all the extraverted thinking processes that entails (hence why the extraverted functions get moved ahead of the introverted functions). To be extraverted, one has to have some level of profficiency with their extraverted functions, but more importantly, one has to desire the same focus that extraverts have. One has to be able to derive energy from wholesale interaction with people. It's really an extreme flip from introversion. Trying to ammend one's normal way of functioning can be dangerous when their extraverted functions are underdeveloped. They will find themselves unable to act with amuch profficiency or maturity, and will eventually find it favourable to rely on their predominant introverted functions. Dancing with the extraverted alignment is to completely change the way your mind processes things. It can be done, but keep in mind it takes most people over two or three decades to fully mature their dominant functions. Maturing your inferior functions is no easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Being extraverted comes from the desire to be around and interact with people, and all the extraverted thinking processes that entails (hence why the extraverted functions get moved ahead of the introverted functions). To be extraverted, one has to have some level of profficiency with their extraverted functions, but more importantly, one has to desire the same focus that extraverts have. One has to be able to derive energy from wholesale interaction with people. It's really an extreme flip from introversion. Trying to ammend one's normal way of functioning can be dangerous when their extraverted functions are underdeveloped. They will find themselves unable to act with amuch profficiency or maturity, and will eventually find it favourable to rely on their predominant introverted functions. Dancing with the extraverted alignment is to completely change the way your mind processes things. It can be done, but keep in mind it takes most people over two or three decades to fully mature their dominant functions. Maturing your inferior functions is no easier.

    well, when you think not in terms of functions, but in terms of other things.
    Such as what makes it easier to interact with a book than to interact with people? What fear inhibits you from speaking up your thoughts.
    Is it self-consciousness or lack of confidence, or fear that other people will ridicule you. What makes online sopcial interaction much easier than real word interaction? People are not more muted, you always have freedom and power to speak.

    Is it easier to interact with someone younger than you (like a 12 or 7 year old) than someone that passes 20 or same age as you? Do you think you are being judged?

    Or is what you think is out of context with reality?

    What happens when you go to a foreign country and start interacting with people whose language you completely cannot understand? Would you still be an introvert then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    well, when you think not in terms of functions, but in terms of other things.
    Such as what makes it easier to interact with a book than to interact with people? What fear inhibits you from speaking up your thoughts.
    Is it self-consciousness or lack of confidence, or fear that other people will ridicule you. What makes online sopcial interaction much easier than real word interaction? People are not more muted, you always have freedom and power to speak.
    Yes, it is because introverts aren't as adept with socializing and all the little nuances that must come with the interaction. It's something that must be learned and developed, like a skill. Extraverts develop and use this skill naturally. They are driven to do so. Intoverts find online interaction more appealing because it doesn't have such a high cognitive demand. It is much simpler than talking to people irl, because there are many other aspects to interacting with people that are absent online (body language, touching, actually DOING things, different forms of conversation) and would have a higher cognitive demand for one who is not proficient with it. It's like doing math. One who is not experienced with algebra will always find it to be long, difficult, and draining because they don't have the experience with doing algebra. Same goes for extroversion and social interaction. The more you use a muscle (extraversion), the stronger it becomes. We all tend to use/do what we're best at, which is introversion for introverts. The original causes for introversion are a whole nother topic.

    Is it easier to interact with someone younger than you (like a 12 or 7 year old) than someone that passes 20 or same age as you? Do you think you are being judged?

    Or is what you think is out of context with reality?
    If one finds it easier to interact with younger people, it is sometimes because they themselves (their cognitive functions) are less mature, and are better balanced with others who have an equal level of maturity.

    What happens when you go to a foreign country and start interacting with people whose language you completely cannot understand? Would you still be an introvert then?
    If you DESIRE to be on your own most of the time and don't find it beneficial or easy to try talking to people, and don't sit at home constantly wishing you had someone you could talk to, then yes, you are introverted. It is the desire to shy away from social interaction that makes you introverted in the social sense. Again, they are just completely different ways of thinking, where one has a totally different set of desires, responses, and direction from the other. Keep in mind I'm trying to mostly stick with the social aspects of introversion and extraversion, and haven't gone far into the other cognitive aspects of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Yes, it is because introverts aren't as adept with socializing and all the little nuances that must come with the interaction. It's something that must be learned and developed, like a skill. Extraverts develop and use this skill naturally. They are driven to do so. Intoverts find online interaction more appealing because it doesn't have such a high cognitive demand. It is much simpler than talking to people irl, because there are many other aspects to interacting with people that are absent online (body language, touching, actually DOING things, different forms of conversation) and would have a higher cognitive demand for one who is not proficient with it. It's like doing math. One who is not experienced with algebra will always find it to be long, difficult, and draining because they don't have the experience with doing algebra. Same goes for extroversion and social interaction. The more you use a muscle (extraversion), the stronger it becomes. We all tend to use/do what we're best at, which is introversion for introverts. The original causes for introversion are a whole nother topic.
    Well, I think it is the fear of rejection. When you are rejected in the real world, you have to cope with it. Whereas online, if people rejected you, you don't even know about it. The whole thing goes back to shame and senstivity.

    Really does people have more freedom to speak online than in the real world?
    What are the inhibitors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    Well, I think it is the fear of rejection. When you are rejected in the real world, you have to cope with it. Whereas online, if people rejected you, you don't even know about it. The whole thing goes back to shame and senstivity.

    Really does people have more freedom to speak online than in the real world?
    What are the inhibitors?
    Exactly. Online you don't have as many consequences for doing something stupid, so the fear of being rejected or embarrassing yourself is much less. IRL, introverts are more apprehensive because of that fear and the greater perceived consequences of doing something wrong. They don't have as much confidence in their abilities or experience using them (often for the reasons just outlined).

    As for why online interaction differs from real life interaction, the reasons are many (including the above) and somewhat complicated. By and large, it's the perceived freedom to say whatever you want without large consequences.

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    true.

    There is one secret of being an extrovert. you can't hate what you think, otherwise you will always afraid yo speak up. As for rather people will like you or not, you can't really control this.

    Introversion is mainly genetic and comes from childhood experiences. These can be conquered if you have the determination.

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    I'm just going to say as an introvert, I tend to have real difficulties talking to people if we're not talking about something substantial. If I want to talk someone but it isn't about something that requires fairly focused discussion, I find it really tiring to converse with that person, even if I want the contact.

    So yeah, unless if there's humor in it or if it's something important, I would rather not talk at all than make small talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypocalypse View Post
    On the other hand, NTJs are pretty much in denial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    I'm just going to say as an introvert, I tend to have real difficulties talking to people if we're not talking about something substantial. If I want to talk someone but it isn't about something that requires fairly focused discussion, I find it really tiring to converse with that person, even if I want the contact.

    So yeah, unless if there's humor in it or if it's something important, I would rather not talk at all than make small talk.

    Small talk takes a lot of effort on my part. I can do it... but if the other person also happens to be an introvert the conversation fizzles quickly. If you give me an Extrovert to try to do small talk with, I can keep up my end much easier. I think they just give me more to feed on.
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