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    I prefer arguments to be insightful, and if they are, I'm quite comfortable with dragging them on without conclusion.

    My INTJ brother seems to view arguments as strictly objective driven, and has said that he wants arguments to end as quickly as possible. Personally, I think this translates to "I wish everyone would just obey my orders", but that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ed111 View Post
    I don't mind admitting that I'm wrong. However, what really ticks me off is when I KNOW I'm right, but people think I'm wrong or they'll stubbornly stick to their point of view. Why won't some people admit they're wrong so we can just move on? Being right or wrong isn't the issue: it's accepting the truth that's important.
    Yeah, that mindset is not gonna help explain to them why they should agree with you though :P People know they are right all the time, even when they are not. And a good argumentator (is this the correct english word?) knows how a falsity can still be backed by a seemingly convincing argument...

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    EDIT: Nevermind.

    I agree with what a lot of people have said about arguments not being about winning or losing, but that wasn't really what I was trying to get at with this thread. I probably should have come up with a better example or situation to use as a context.

    I was mainly trying to see how much NTs here really valued social approval vs knowlege, since I suspected that asking it straight up would get biased answers here (I recall a previous thread on the pure topic that seemed suspicious). I went about it with a poor question, though.
    The probability that I was procrastinating when I was typing this post:

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    P(posting on TypoC) = 0.2
    P(having big assignment due | posting on TypoC) = 0.7

    P(posting on TypoC | having big assignment due) = .......


    Eh, I'll finish it later.

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    I can't stand arguments. The point is always to figure out what the heck is going on. Not knowing is what kills me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed111 View Post
    I don't mind admitting that I'm wrong. However, what really ticks me off is when I KNOW I'm right, but people think I'm wrong or they'll stubbornly stick to their point of view. Why won't some people admit they're wrong so we can just move on? Being right or wrong isn't the issue: it's accepting the truth that's important.

    You sound like me but the type you dislike is my brother.
    Everything is either, "That's right" or "NO YOU'RE WRONG!"
    And he doesn't say it, he yells it.
    He's like some rabid attack dog who will argue about lint.
    A single meaningless detail.
    No depth. No vision.

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    Not attached to perceived outcome. I don't think I have a preference towards being right.

    If the other people involved aren't interested or enjoying the argument, I draw my conclusions quite independently.

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    I don't argue. It rarely works. : \
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    Neither of the given options. my choice would be: don't care who's right, I just want to feel like we've both learned something. In fact, if I end up giving in and realizing I was wrong, that's even better. Not only did I learn something, but the other person has gone up in my estimation and will be considered a reliable and good quality sounding board from henceforth!
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    When I engage in a discussion, it is out of a compulsive need to challenge the convictions of the other party - it's not that I think I'm right, it's that I think that you're not entirely either ("Yes, but!"). I just react to what is thrown my way without having in my head a well-defined argument or a clear vision of what it is that I want to reach. Most of the discussions I engage in fizzle out and never reach a conclusion or aren't "won" by anyone anyways. My style can be very direct and intense, though, which might give people the impression that I want to convince them of "my" viewpoint no matter what when I'm just mainly playing advocate of the devil.

    I guess learning something then.

    I don't think that I would be good at/enjoy debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Being "right" sounds dictatorial.
    That's bullcrap.
    Re-read this...

    (exhibit 1 )

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