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    Allergic to Mornings ergophobe's Avatar
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    Don't know how T I am but things I remember clearly that defined my childhood:

    1. Reading anything and everything within sight. My parents would have to work hard at putting things away that they did not want me to read or see (movies). If I was curious, I would find it anyway. Could be happily left to my own devices for hours with a good book. This included books on diamonds, backpacking in Europe in the 80s, farming, the publishing industry...everything was fascinating until I understood basically how t worked.
    2. I could also be left alone with an appliance and its manual. I don't like paying attention to details too much so once I figured out how something worked, I just played around with it. I wasn't into destroying but I really, really enjoyed fixing things. Now, thinking back, even in my early teens, I was the default fixer of appliances around the house.
    3. I spent hours on my parents' balcony dreaming of far away places, planning elaborately how I would run away and join the circus (damn you Enid Blyton). This all changed when I began to read about the cruelty circus animals endure. Much of the planning consisted of thinking up elaborate survival scenarios (not in the wild but in the city).
    4. Only being really sad when I was really bored and complaining incessantly when I was bored. It didn't happen a lot but I remember when it did because it felt so horrible.
    5. Realizing that I could steal a small enough amount of money from my father's wallet every day and he would never know. I didn't need to do this. I was rarely ever denied anything and always got extra money when it was justified. Yet, I did it just because I could for several years until my moral compass became a little more defined.
    6. Social manipulation in all its forms -- primarily consisted of convincing people that they should do things that were good for them but also incredibly beneficial for me. Was quite successful at this.
    7. Never believed what adults told me just because they were adults. I always questioned and always had an opinion about most things.
    8. Rebelled at any sign of control.

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    • I spent most of my childhood in my own head, the top of a tree, or a library.
    • I couldn't stand school - loved learning, but asked too many questions, kept getting shushed, and then asked some more. I wanted to know the why.
    • There was a distinct hobby of trespassing - private property to run by the white-tailed deer, any high spot to get a better view.
    • I wanted to know what was behind everything - the encyclopedia was a source of pleasure and inspiration, and I had my favourite articles memorized and dog-eared.
    • I'd go from one intellectual obsession to another after a two year span or so. Flight & fighter jets, ancient Egypt, and the linguistic history of Japan were some of them.
    • I'd have climbed everywhere if I could. I loved high places, the feeling of freefall, and balancing acts.
    • I normally went out in the middle of the night during thunderstorms because I felt a part of it.
    • If I wasn't in front of people, completely uninhibited - in front of others, painfully introverted and reserved to the point of crying at school in the morning.
    • I hid in plain sight. Only certain teachers understood what was going on with me, and that's because I loved them because they actually assisted in learning rather than getting in the way. (There were very, very few of these teachers.)


    I think one of the common indicators with us is having no problem with doing perfectly in school when we wanted, "if only they would behave"...

    I felt antsy and constrained in school, most of the time.

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    I got to monitor a young ENTP close as a kid. Without her, I wouldn't have executed any of the following. At 8, we'd dress up and play different characters in the city and sell bananas (also in the christmas time, we dressed up as elfs and went giving gift bananas door to door style). We went squirrel hunting, we came up with a whole mythology (a wingdog legend) (in the art school where we always escaped away for the lesson to explore the old building), we created a radioshow about male siemen + other reproductive stuff and Radio kidney, we'd play pranks on teachers and create stories and scenarios and play them out. And that's only what we did together. For years she made me prank calls, always coming up with different personas (when I had moved away). They were damn good, I sometimes didn't realise it was her.

    As a kid she tested out everything and everyone. She also had this fascination/interest for the outcast, she was the one who'd always befriend with them, the people no one else would be with. She made everything a game or a sport, the school stuff she created was always ironical and unique. She made fun of the joke itself and had to do things interesting for her someway, otherwise she'd been bored to death. School was way too easy for her.

    As an act of kindness I gave her number to punch of random people who'd also make prank calls for her. She'd talk to them strangers for hours.

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    I love reading these.

    I also was friends with everyone in school, every single last social pariah. I didn't belong to any clique - I was free to hop about from group to group. I never understood why people excluded others. Parties at my house were always so random because of this. Without my social life, I could never have endured school. I skipped a lot and almost failed a dozen times even though the material was quite simplistic. The only motivation to go to school was to hang out with my friends.

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    I also was friends with everyone in school, every single last social pariah. I didn't belong to any clique - I was free to hop about from group to group. I never understood why people excluded others. Parties at my house were always so random because of this. Without my social life, I could never have endured school.
    Wow, that was completely my experience as well. I had real trouble committing to any clique but definitely wanted to be a part of everything :-) So us right, we want it all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tibby View Post
    I got to monitor a young ENTP close as a kid. Without her, I wouldn't have executed any of the following. At 8, we'd dress up and play different characters in the city and sell bananas (also in the christmas time, we dressed up as elfs and went giving gift bananas door to door style). We went squirrel hunting, we came up with a whole mythology (a wingdog legend) (in the art school where we always escaped away for the lesson to explore the old building), we created a radioshow about male siemen + other reproductive stuff and Radio kidney, we'd play pranks on teachers and create stories and scenarios and play them out. And that's only what we did together. For years she made me prank calls, always coming up with different personas (when I had moved away). They were damn good, I sometimes didn't realise it was her.

    Ah, prank calls, and nicky-nicky nine doors. Memories. I formed a ghost-hunting crew where we'd have challenges every 2 times a month. Sleepovers - sneak out and grab the scarf left at the cemetary the day before. Go into the woods and hold a mirror while saying 'bloody mary'. Ghost stories.

    I miss my childhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I also was friends with everyone in school, every single last social pariah. I didn't belong to any clique - I was free to hop about from group to group. I never understood why people excluded others.
    i could have written this. seriously. 90% of every fight i was in was because someone was bullying someone, and i stepped in to stop it. i was suspended a lot, but i'd do it the same way if i had it to do again. i haven't changed in this regard, except that now i tend to only do it for children or adults who really do want and need the help.

    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Parties at my house were always so random because of this. Without my social life, I could never have endured school. I skipped a lot and almost failed a dozen times even though the material was quite simplistic. The only motivation to go to school was to hang out with my friends.
    this too, except that i had a system for the skipping. i knew exactly how many days a semester i could miss without it hitting the punishment phase/parents being called. so, i'd convince friends to skip with me and made 'skip' plans each semester. i'd take friends on my own field trips to 'haunted' houses, the caves i found near my home, picnics by the river that included encouraging skinny-dipping, etc., etc.

    i also used those times to get people together who were too shy to talk to one another in school by inviting them to come along on the same day. i loved playing cupid for the shy. (still do)
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    Quote Originally Posted by digesthisickness View Post
    i could have written this. seriously. 90% of every fight i was in was because someone was bullying someone, and i stepped in to stop it. i was suspended a lot, but i'd do it the same way if i had it to do again. i haven't changed in this regard, except that now i tend to only do it for children or adults who really do want and need the help.

    this too, except that i had a system for the skipping. i knew exactly how many days a semester i could miss without it hitting the punishment phase/parents being called. so, i'd convince friends to skip with me and made 'skip' plans each semester. i'd take friends on my own field trips to 'haunted' houses, the caves i found near my home, picnics by the river that included encouraging skinny-dipping, etc., etc.

    i also used those times to get people together who were too shy to talk to one another in school by inviting them to come along on the same day. i loved playing cupid for the shy. (still do)
    That is perfect. We really have a lot in common, I could have written your post...

    I never cared if my parents were called, since they were always out of the country and they weren't the least bit interested. My siblings and I covered for each other and pretended to be parents when the phone rang.

    Field trips were my favorite things. I used to have this bomb shelter that was my home away from home and anyone who wanted an adventure knew to go there right when school started.

    I also used to get into a lot of fights defending innocent, helpless people (esp. children), and I still do. And I always will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    That is perfect. We really have a lot in common, I could have written your post...

    I never cared if my parents were called, since they were always out of the country and they weren't the least bit interested. My siblings and I covered for each other and pretended to be parents when the phone rang.

    Field trips were my favorite things. I used to have this bomb shelter that was my home away from home and anyone who wanted an adventure knew to go there right when school started.

    I also used to get into a lot of fights defending innocent, helpless people (esp. children), and I still do. And I always will.
    you're starting to creep me out. i'm almost too scared to share anything else.


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    Wow, this thread is dominated by entp's. I guess entps are the most bad ass NTs.

    I've got nothing, except what I mentioned in the 12 steps to become an INTP thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    Damn it! I thought this was a 12 step program to cure INTPness.

    Well, anyway... 12 steps to become an INTP physics nerd:

    1. Break your front door's lock by trying to pick it by the age of 8. This is essential, you will forget keys, combinations, etc. often.
    2. Construct your own super-soaker at the age of about 9. This is one way for a socially awkward INTP mute to gain some social capital.
    3. Blow up something by the age of 12. A capacitor is good enough, but the bigger the better.
    4. Solder a blinking LED based display for space invaders or mastermind by age 15.
    5. Program your own computer game that requires excessive button pushing, and get yelled at by your dad when your siblings play the game and almost break the keyboard--preferably by the age of 15 again.
    6. Read Einstein's popular version of relativity by the time you are 16.
    7. Take apart your front door lock, and get yelled at for it. Lock picking, safe cracking, etc. are essential for an NTP physicist (read Feynman). I learned how to pick the Samsonite 3-digit combo pretty quickly (not by trying every combination) because I kept forgetting the combo (very INTP).
    8. Work in some scientific capacity (a technician or whatever) in at least two fields other than physics by the time you graduate high-school (mine were Geology and Biotech).
    9. Participate in Science Fairs, Math Contests, Computer Programming Contests, Physics Contests, and chess club through out high-school. Also, playing a sport or two or more is also a good way to get some physical grounding.
    10. Get two or more college degrees in three or less years--just to see how pointless that is.
    11. Get hopelessly lost in life.
    12. Be content that you "fail at life" but like figuring things out and start your career in physics.

    Accept the past. Live for the present. Look forward to the future.
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