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    half mystic, half skeksis jenocyde's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    In effect, by giving you my mind, I'm giving you me. When you take that as some egotistical and infantile deliberate point scoring bullshit, it's like the biggest insult ever.
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    ENTP have to argue. They worry very much about looking incompetent. In my experience.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Kinda like you're doing now?
    Hey not bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    ENTP have to argue. They worry very much about looking incompetent. In my experience.
    Hm yeah, maybe immature ones... but tell me a teenager who doesn't?

    I'm pretty sure when the ENTP's hit 30+, there's a sense of "nothing to prove" now, and just honestly wanting to understand and dialogue with the world around them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Hm yeah, maybe immature ones... but tell me a teenager who doesn't?

    I'm pretty sure when the ENTP's hit 30+, there's a sense of "nothing to prove" now, and just honestly wanting to understand and dialogue with the world around them.
    You make a good point. If it is something I feel strongly about, I feel like I have to set things straight.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    That Jen/Peguy exchange was brilliant. I do the same thing. If the "other side" does something clever, I applaud it and show appreciation. It's the INFJ way. The ENTP way would be to escalate and try to outdo them.

    That was classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    You make a good point. If it is something I feel strongly about, I feel like I have to set things straight.
    Yeah that's different - when it's something you feel strongly about, that you feel you KNOW, then winning can be important, but not for the puerile reason of just wanting to score points - but because you really care about this issue.

    If it's something that I as yet have no real strong view on - which is an awful lot - and I'm just giving out my latest hypothesis to test it out, so to speak, which is what I'm doing far more often, then I couldn't give a shit about winning. I want to learn, to find the flaws in what I know already or put it into the right perspective.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    That Jen/Peguy exchange was brilliant. I do the same thing. If the "other side" does something clever, I applaud it and show appreciation. It's the INFJ way. The ENTP way would be to escalate and try to outdo them.

    That was classic.
    If I say something "clever", the last thing I'm looking for is appreciation. I'm looking to see if I'm right. I think that's the fundamental P/J miscommunication... the J thinks what I say is what I think, period. Whilst in fact, it's more like what I'm thinking, and it's open to change each moment in light of new evidence, which is what I'm looking for in throwing it out to the floor.

    If someone says something clever, my response of cross-questioning them is not about one-upping at all. It's quite the opposite - it shows I've actually been impressed by what they said and am considering taking it very much on board, but I first need to check it for consistency and how it fits into other things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    That Jen/Peguy exchange was brilliant. I do the same thing. If the "other side" does something clever, I applaud it and show appreciation. It's the INFJ way. The ENTP way would be to escalate and try to outdo them.

    That was classic.
    If I tell you how wrong you are, would you consider that escalation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Hey not bad.


    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    You make a good point. If it is something I feel strongly about, I feel like I have to set things straight.
    Yeah, that's the truth. I'm the same. (shocking, I know...)

    Haha, I learn a lot about myself from you guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    That Jen/Peguy exchange was brilliant. I do the same thing. If the "other side" does something clever, I applaud it and show appreciation. It's the INFJ way. The ENTP way would be to escalate and try to outdo them.

    That was classic.
    That comes from passion
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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