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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtmac_46 View Post
    There's really nothing to argue. Hitler was an INTJ.

    The notions that Hitler was somehow some errant NF are completely absurd.
    The notions that Hitler was an SP/SJ of any sort is equally absurd.
    Hitler was clearly an NT.......certainly not, as shown by any even casual examination of his life, an E. And anyone who has ever even been in the same room with an INTP would know that's clearly wrong.

    By process of elimination, and clear support based on facts, INTJ is the only logical conclusion available.
    I know how you analysed Hitler. Any person would call hitler a heartless bastard who's indulged in his own master fantasies which is basically a stereotype of the INTJ apparently. However your typology analysis is based on how you perceive him. And is your perception more correct compared to the perception of the many that analysed him more thoroughly?
    You either have a lack of knowledge of MBTI, lack of knowledge of Hitler or both.

    But I do note that INFJ won the vote.........clearly illustrating more about the voters than the subject of the vote.
    Actually ENFJ won the vote. But again, now you are on the assumption that everyone else is wrong and you are right along with 7% of the people here. I'm sorry but for you to so stubbornly state you are right and they are wrong without even considering why anyone would put any other type tells me you are the one with the lack of knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander29 View Post
    He very well could be. Just not sure how you are so certain. There seem to be a number of characteristics that point to the possibility. If I were to guess, I would guess probably INTJ or INFJ. There are things that don't make sense though. For example, the way he was able to inspire, motivate, and win the hearts and minds of such a large mass of people. These seem like characteristics of a different type - like INFJ, ENFJ, or ENTJ. His breaking down and weeping - doesn't sound too INTJ either. There are just so many contradictions, I don't know how one can know anything.
    The key to understanding Hitler's behavior is to examine what he did under extreme stress. Say, his response to the loss of Stalingrad and his behavior the last few days prior to his suicide.

    Hitler's behavior under stress is stereotypical INTJ. And it wasn't 'weeping' in the sense of an emotional outlet. It was very much rage and tantrum, which is typical INTJ. As INTJ's come under stress they become increasingly disagreeable. They are prone outbursts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander29 View Post
    He very well could be. Just not sure how you are so certain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post

    I'm sure because I know an INTJ when I see one. No crystal ball needed. But that is clever.

    I know, Jaguar, your opinion is pretty much that no one can really know anything about anything (except you of course).

    So drive through, take your clever shot, and add nothing of any real substance to the discussion except your usual caustic wit.......it's part of your charm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtmac_46 View Post
    The key to understanding Hitler's behavior is to examine what he did under extreme stress. Say, his response to the loss of Stalingrad and his behavior the last few days prior to his suicide.

    Hitler's behavior under stress is stereotypical INTJ. And it wasn't 'weeping' in the sense of an emotional outlet. It was very much rage and tantrum, which is typical INTJ. As INTJ's come under stress they become increasingly disagreeable. They are prone outbursts.
    This is interesting. Aren't these characteristics of both INTJ and INFJ though?

    I'm afraid I don't know how he reacted under extreme stress but that would seem to be one way to infer type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtmac_46 View Post
    I'm sure because I know an INTJ when I see one.
    My neighbor is a rapist.
    I'm sure because I know a rapist when I see one.

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    Hitler doesn't have a personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakysage View Post
    I know how you analysed Hitler. Any person would call hitler a heartless bastard who's indulged in his own master fantasies which is basically a stereotype of the INTJ apparently. However your typology analysis is based on how you perceive him. And is your perception more correct compared to the perception of the many that analysed him more thoroughly?
    You either have a lack of knowledge of MBTI, lack of knowledge of Hitler or both.
    No, you quite clearly have no understanding of the manifestation of type functions and are basing your assertions solely off of your own perception, mismatching type characteristics to suit the impression you received. Your entire argument is incomprehensible. You have some nerve to state that he lacks knowledge of Hitler, especially in the face of such irony.

    Hitler was introverted, which we know from his own descriptions of himself and those who knew him. During his stay in Vienna as a young man, he spent much time alone reading books and visiting opera houses, and arguing his political stances with Marxist workers. Hitler was described as a polite and reserved individual by those who knew him most intimately. He was a theoretician and was bored in school, preferring to plot his own course of action; wishing to become an artist. He was highly critical, enjoyed reading scientific and technical works, and was not averse to engaging in heated arguments. He was clearly an organizational planner, a TeJ, and the second volume of Mein Kampf was entirely devoted to the structure and organization of the NSDAP. To claim that Hitler was a P is the height of ignorance and absurdity. There is absolutely no indication that he was a P, considering that he led a very structured (mentally, if not always physically due to his poverty) and goal oriented life, especially in the fact that he implanted his own goal oriented idealism into his movement. Ps are simply not the type of individuals who concern themselves with planning and organizing movements based on hard struggle, which make value judgments and may be considered "narrow minded" by the "liberated" Ps. I find proof of this claim in both the theoretical construct of the perceiving type, and in the fact that modern day Ps, especially NPs, are individualistic by nature, and embrace either humanitarian or libertarian philosophies, and not philosophies that would require them to sacrifice their lives for a greater movement, much less one which demands the obedience and discipline of National Socialism. Ps could never lead, or hope to conceive, of such a disciplined political philosophy that rejects individualistic nonsense, and in the case of NFs, political correctness and the humanist delusion. Not to mention the fact that I don't know any NP who concerns himself with political endeavour, least of all NFPs. INFJs and ENFJs are also out of the question for the same reason that all the feelers are: they are much too easily swayed by the utopian idealism of Marxism rather than the idealism of Hegel or Kant, or the humanism of Kierkegaard over the existentialism of Nietzsche, and prefer social harmony over realistic social structure which involves hierarchy. Besides, Fs are much too cowardly and averse to conflict and social stigma to involve themselves, much less lead, in a movement as aggressive as National Socialism; again, we see this truth in modern day Fs, especially of the NF variety. Have you heard of the FĂĽhrerprinzip? Does this notion strike you as P? It was developed by Hitler.

    I don't understand the association with extroversion simply because he was capable of moving crowds. Are you serious? Can introverts not be motivational speakers? Introversion has no bearing on one's ability to lead movements or speak to crowds. According to your logic, introverts could never be in positions of power, despite the fact that they are more than likely overrepresented in political/military leadership roles. Speaking to a crowd and moving it simply means that you understand crowd dynamics and are capable of transferring your passion unto the crowd. Extroverts are no better at this than introverts. Extroverts may make for better clowns, but not for better motivational speakers. Also, will you honestly make the argument that Hitler was extroverted due to the fact that he attended parties and celebrations throughout his political career? Honestly? Is this not ridiculous? He was a statesman! What do you expect!?

    Organizing movements as exclusive as the NSDAP is highly NTJ. Hitler did not concern himself with pandering to those he considered "parliamentary simpletons."

    Regardless, there is little point in continuing, because as sgtmac stated, Hitler was without a doubt an INTJ. The INTJ personality fits what is known of Hitler through his close associates, his manifesto, his many speeches, his letters, and apparently his OSS profile, best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spin-1/2-nuclei View Post
    Semantics aside my point is that I don't believe only INTJs are subject to emotional outbursts. If you're saying only INTJs act angry, emotional, and immature when unhealthy and pushed then I have to disagree. If that's not what you're saying then I apologize.
    Apology accepted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    My neighbor is a rapist.
    I'm sure because I know a rapist when I see one.
    Your ignorance and blatant attempts at injecting purposeless straw men is distasteful. There is little need to respond with your tripe simply because it soothes you and makes you feel as if you've made a valid point.
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