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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleph-One View Post
    Yes, that's the subjective validation part. If it helps to organize your thoughts, that's alright. I've found that it can sometimes be helpful in negotiations with people to classify them by their type (or what I think is their type). But I'm really using this as a kind of abbreviation for whether they are likely to be so concrete as to become contemptuous of a theoretical approach to whatever problem we face, whether they're likely to be domineering or amenable, etc. The MBTI, lacking predictions, does still function as an abbreviation of those traits. But beyond that, I think it absolutely requires falsifiability. As I will probably say several times here, a statement which can't be countermined by the configuration of the world says nothing of practical use about it -- so a requirement of falsifiability isn't simply an arbitrary preference.
    Well, I think it has more validity beyond just the 4 dichotomies. The functions really aid in understanding. But how to prove that? It obviously makes sense to me. The data fits the theoretical construct I have in my head. But it's not an easily externally explained model.

    Even that of course, is explained by my model. A Ti vs Te difference. But do these things actually exist? Doesn't really matter. It explains and reveals patterns that do exist in the world.

    Course, note that my model isn't really MBTI, it's a conglomeration of a bunch of different sources, including large part personal observations.

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    [Edit]: I have adjusted my type accordingly. Now I must make a careful assessment of what brought me to this forum in the first place, since it was clearly an act of hypocrisy or neurosis. This will not do.
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    Cuz INTs are capable of taking it seriously.

    Aware of the limitations.
    Can understand the questions.
    Can answer the questions appropriately.
    Can see it playing out around them.

    It's an intellectual model with some degree of expressive depth.


    And INTs got that crappy F side. Gotta have something recognisable to take that place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costrin View Post
    Even that of course, is explained by my model. A Ti vs Te difference. But do these things actually exist? Doesn't really matter. It explains and reveals patterns that do exist in the world.
    Mmmm. Instrumentalism.

    Really, my demand isn't that they are real (I couldn't justifiably demand this of many objects in science), just that we have a way of quantifying those predictions in a way that will let us put them to controlled experiment.

    I've decided that it was neurotic introspection which drove me here. I've been under a lot of stress lately, and if I have to work seven day weeks for more than a month and a half, it causes an emo episode . I must have latched on to the MBTI as a result. But I'll stick around because I like some of you people.
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    With me, it was first: AHA! I am not a complete anomaly freakshow, and there are others like me, and I am not lazy and snobbish because I don't act like the people that surround me. Then it opened up and became a way that is kind of a shorthand for helping me understand people. I do know that there are variations and people are unique, but having a baseline helps me to accommodate others' way of operating. Systems like that are a great value to the INTP way of thinking.
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    INT like because there the loners of society and to find out that your not "thinking wrong" and that there are others like you is great!
    "I'd never die for my beliefs, I might be wrong"

    "Is it not enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe there are fairys at the bottom of it too"

    "Intelligence is being able to hold too opposing views in the mind at the one time without going crazy" - Now all I need to figure out is if I'm intelligent or crazy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    And INTs got that crappy F side. Gotta have something recognisable to take that place.
    Good point! For an INT MBTI is the nearest thing to a systematic explanation of feeling which there dream!
    "I'd never die for my beliefs, I might be wrong"

    "Is it not enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe there are fairys at the bottom of it too"

    "Intelligence is being able to hold too opposing views in the mind at the one time without going crazy" - Now all I need to figure out is if I'm intelligent or crazy!

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    I find and use the MBTI as a basic foundation for approaching situations, communication, and understanding and predicting behavior. It is but the outline of a larger system. If something better comes along the way then I will be proud to switch, but till then the MBTI is a source of knowledge and understanding no matter how subjective it may be.

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    I think it quite possible. Not all, of course, but I think trends show that the more serious forum members here are INT's. It makes sense, too. Good topic, it's interesting.

    edit: and not only more seriously, but I think, in general, that INTs have a far better understanding that a lot of other types. Some of the smartest forum members here are INTs.
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    I think it quite possible. Not all, of course, but I think trends show that the more serious forum members here are INT's. It makes sense, too. Good topic, it's interesting.

    edit: and not only more seriously, but I think, in general, that INTs have a far better understanding that a lot of other types. Some of the smartest forum members here are INTs.
    Yeah I have noticed that. But I do see a lot of intellectual INFPs and INFJs too.

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    I love the MBTI as a means of understanding and celebrating the differences and the unique strengths of all kinds of people. The understanding that all people can contribute something of value even though that might be different from you and the fact that we aren't "broken" if we don't fit into the perfect ES_J mold.

    Beyond that it's just a plaything.
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