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    Sometimes I have these baffling arguments with my INTP friend. He eventually gets annoyed with me and leaves.

    Today it was an argument over the word "stupid." The INTP said that someone is stupid because of an opinion that person holds. (The INTP says this person is being juvenile and forming sweeping opinions that do not make any sense based on the information available.)

    I said the person is being stupid, but that we can't say he is stupid. To me, saying a person is stupid means they're 100% stupid, all the time. I think the person is just stupid in this particular case.

    My INTP friend says that saying someone is stupid is the same as saying the person is being stupid. In typical fashion, he gave me this link to the dictionary definition of stupid. stupid - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

    So, NT's, who do you think is right, and what did I say that was so frustrating?

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    I agree with you. That INTP friend of yours is being stupid.
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    i agree with your friend. we are ... lets try this again

    personally, i am not interested in "all the time", because all the time does not exist. you are thinking descriptive, as if his live was a story in a book and a statement would be a declaration on the back of the book: this is the live of a stupid person. but your intp is possibly thinking more causally, meaning he is centered in the moment and analyzing the whole functionality, that is creating this moment. the moment is a taking a cross section through all of reality, at this moment. its just a fact, that a person who is producing stupidity right now, is stupid, just like the spring is polluting the air with its nasty pollen.

    to put it differently: IS is a verb. a happening. a state. it is not a property.
    properties are static, thus they do not exist, for someone who is understanding causality, because everything is always changing anyway. static things do not exist. the flow of stupidity is happening. this is truth. properties only exist to a flat descriptive thinking. they are not real. they are just language.

    now, that is just me.

    maybe your friend is just anally referring to a dictionary because he is being anal

    OR, he does not yet understand why he thinks about this, as he thinks, in the way i understand why i think about it the way i think about it







    one second ....

    oh forgive me my bad language skills, but being stupid is actually just as much an emphasis on the fact that stupidity is to be understood as verb, in the light of the causal eye.

    or is this just me?

    i mean, "the being" IS being right?

    this is why i HATE language. totally contradictory in itself. you can not combine verbs with adjectives in the same sentence universe.

    especially adjectives!!

    and the nouns. bad evil nouns. especially, since they are hiding from me, each time i need them.


    also: I APOLOGIZE
    if i am sounding harsh somehow, or like "taking sides", which would be silly in such a matter. i am just being passionately in a playful manner, and people here tend to not get my humor ... oh well

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    I like to think that we're not as attached to our arguments as other types tend to be. I don't get mad or really annoyed when I argue with friends.

    I have a good INFP friend and I think he sometimes interprets me caring more about the issue than I do, while he sometimes gets very involved.

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    This thread is being stupid.
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    I would think that unless one has an unsaid or implied half of the sentence (for example, "He is stupid - when he's like this."), that the generic statement of "is _______" technically means all the time. It has no given endpoint, or instance, or beginning, so if taken as is it is describing the person.

    Using the phrasing "is being _____" is referring to right now, I believe.

    I consider you to be right, though the argument seems overly focussed on semantics. Colloquial uses of phrasings and verbs mildly change the meanings, at times, though not if you look at them from a technical, grammatical point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I like to think that we're not as attached to our arguments as other types tend to be. I don't get mad or really annoyed when I argue with friends.

    I have a good INFP friend and I think he sometimes interprets me caring more about the issue than I do, while he sometimes gets very involved.
    I don't take it personally when I disagree with friends, either, but if the friend stops talking to me because I'm not doing a good job of rational thinking, then I take it personally and get frustrated with myself. I'm trying hard to be better at rational thinking, and a lot of times in conversation my NT friends get frustrated with me. That's why I posted this thread, silly as the actual argument is, because I wondered if i was making some kind of glaring error, and couldn't understand what was frustrating the INTP.

    To me as an INFP, it's important to make a distinction between stupid and being stupid, because I think everyone has potential in some area or another. Apparently that type of thing wouldn't matter so much to an INTP. Proving a point with the dictionary does, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jewelchild View Post
    To me as an INFP, it's important to make a distinction between stupid and being stupid, because I think everyone has potential in some area or another. Apparently that type of thing wouldn't matter so much to an INTP. Proving a point with the dictionary does, though.
    Pffft. I agree with you on that distinction. And I disagree with the dictionary all the time. I'm always right too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jewelchild View Post
    Sometimes I have these baffling arguments with my INTP friend. He eventually gets annoyed with me and leaves.

    Today it was an argument over the word "stupid." INTP said that someone is stupid because of an opinion that person holds. (The INTP says this person is being juvenile and forming sweeping opinions that do not make any sense based on the information available.)

    I said the person is being stupid, but that we can't say he is stupid. To me, saying a person is stupid means they're 100% stupid, all the time. I think the person is just stupid in this particular case.

    My INTP friend says that saying someone is stupid is the same as saying the person is being stupid. In typical fashion, he gave me this link to the dictionary definition of stupid. stupid - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
    If the person has a repeated tendency of being stupid, then it should be concluded that he is stupid, until he can prove otherwise.

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