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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    I was going to say "accomplish something" - set yourself a task, and do it. -- --

    But you kind of already answered your own qeustion saying the same thing! So, I concur.
    I woke up late today, went for 30 minute run around the city, and this thought popped in my mind: someone of my personality shouldn't wait for the right mood to do something, but instead do what's needed to get in the right mood. I don't actually really need to be in any kind of particular mood to start something I need.

    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    I suggest you take thje MBTI less seriously and just be yourself.
    Yeah, if I would get upset from ISTJ results. But my problem was in my reality, and I only used ISTJ results to illustrate that reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    top four things to do when ever you are in a rut of not being productive:

    1. get up early, even if you 'dont have to', just do it.
    Absolutely My favorite thing.
    2. block the internet (or at least part of it)
    I haven't needed to, but I've written some personal restrictions over gaming and forums to the same effect. Astonishing, that's actually the same thing!
    3. workout in the morning or by midday
    OMG that too. I've used to run in the morning, max 30 minutes from waking up.. I can combine the shower needed in the morning + shower needed after exercising. It's good use of time and gets my motor running!
    4. make to do lists.
    Ohh absolutely. Those too. But I also do plans, schedules, and sometimes even contracts for myself. Making a decision in form of a legal contract for myself is a good trick to emphasize the importance of the issues in the paper. Silly, isn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    So that is what Te is like, making time 100% efficient, forcing yourself to follow a rigid schedule and wake up early.......
    Schedule yes, rigid - heavens, no! I have fragments of schedule for different things I might use in different situations. For example, I have a full workout / exercise plan for 10 hours of exercise per week, but for the starters I'm not doing that much yet. So I try to live best I can, and fit in parts of that schedule in my day when possible. My schedule is mostly made on the fly, for the next day, with reservations for some unexpected events.

    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    yes, thats it. even i do it. sometimes for up to three days in a row.
    ah, that reminds me of something ...
    I guess it's common for many types to "start doing something about it" and then get in the mood later. I just wonder, which types?

    Should I be looking the opposite types from those which are said to be unable to act unless they've handled their feelings about the subject?
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    Looks like you had a serious case of INTP shadow going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    Yeah, if I would get upset from ISTJ results. But my problem was in my reality, and I only used ISTJ results to illustrate that reality.
    I think you were ecpecting to get an entj result or something similar(perhaps like entp or intj?)But you got istj instead and that is why you are making an issue in this thread.


    Schedule yes, rigid - heavens, no! I have fragments of schedule for different things I might use in different situations. For example, I have a full workout / exercise plan for 10 hours of exercise per week, but for the starters I'm not doing that much yet. So I try to live best I can, and fit in parts of that schedule in my day when possible. My schedule is mostly made on the fly, for the next day, with reservations for some unexpected events.
    Why develop a schedule if you are not planning to follow it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    I think you were ecpecting to get an entj result or something similar(perhaps like entp or intj?)But you got istj instead and that is why you are making an issue in this thread.
    Hypothesize all you want, but your hunches gave you a miss this time. My concern is not test-driven; it's reality-driven.
    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    Why make a schedule if you are not chosing to follow it? Whats the point of making a schedule, then? Scheduling things itself is alrady a rigid behavior, because you are limiting your life into square boxes. What are you afriad of? Being too P and procrastinating. That you won't be an entj anymore and lose that false sense of invincibility?
    It's a working solution I've made.

    I haven't been happy with my results if I haven't planned my time; but I've found myself unable to completely schedule my activities in some more innovative pursuits, such as computer programming. It's just impossible to tell exactly when you'll figure something out.

    I've got stress from my inability to keep up with fully planned schedule, and I've learned from some advisors it's best to keep about 40% of the time relatively unscheduled, or only weakly scheduled. That is to say, scheduled for whatever comes up, or the most pressing task at the moment, or relaxation, if that seems to fit best for that particular time.

    So rather than give up, I've divided my time differently. One of my biggest problems is money, as I try to spend my time learning as opposed to a full time job right now. I don't get to know my work schedule until 1 week in advance, and I have to keep my schedule flexible for the most part. I've set aside time for tasks I consider obligatory; school on thursdays from 5pm-9pm, volunteer work on mondays from 11am to 4pm, etc.

    Friday evening is a good time to meet with friends, so I'm in a habit of inviting them at my place for a movie. Other times haven't be so suitable. I don't do it every friday though - if I've been low on money or not in the mood for leisure time, I work instead or use the time with my gf.

    I usually have calendar and a paper notebook with me on the bus, so I'll try to fill in the next few days however possible. I try to find things to do that are needed at the time, and efficient to do one after another (or at the same time). For example, shopping for some needed items in 3 shops that are close to each other. Or, configuring and installing 3 computers at the same time, so I can multitask.. searching the correct settings for one computer, while another computer is installing something, and the third is undergoing a stability test.

    If I have to deliver one computer to the customer at one time, I prepare extra time. If the schedule is free, I wait for the right moment, untill I have such workload that will enable efficient working on many subjects at the same time. If I get a work that doesn't benefit for multitasking, I can work on it at any available time independently of other tasks. Sometimes I don't know what kind of a task it is, until I see it, demanding me to be flexible about it while still assigning some time to it.

    Some things I have to keep fixed; it would be impractical to alter my schedule of meeting many of my friends at the same time, as it would require communication with many of them - and many of them have somewhat fixed schedules as well. Sadly, I've had to drop out some friends that cancel their commitments 80% of the time; it brought a lot of stress to my more responsible friends, when for example, we couldn't play a game of 4 person with 1 person often cancelling the game evening entirely.

    Then, to add some flexibility to the thing, I've started to host more games that are fun with almost any number of participants. Movies, drinking and talking can be fun with any number of people, from 2 up to whatever.

    I've told examples and examples. Different actions have different optimal modes of flexibility and rigidity. I plan my actions accordingly.

    If I would not plan, I'd miss many of the things I do. I would not figure out nearly as efficient way to do things, and I couldn't host as many meetings with friends, and the arrangements would bring more stress for most people.

    So, bottom line, planning brings an improvement for my social life, well-being, education and financial issues, while not making it possible to plan everything strictly. Everything a person does is an interconnected web of events, complex but somewhat manageable. The trick is to manage all items in the manner most appropriate for the whole.

    Sorry for my long response.
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    yeah totally, turn off your computer and go outside and play, and get things done, and play some more... just basically get up and go out and do real things in the real world. ENTx's are people who get a lot of satisfaction from making things happen out there in the world, we tend to believe it's important, it's part of who we are. If we're not doing this, it eats away at us and we go down in our own estimations, it's a downward spiral.

    The way to get out of a behavioural spiral is to change your behaviour. It takes a big push to begin with, but then the momentum builds up again and you can keep rolling for ages

    /veteran of re-motivating despondent ENTJ's
    (it's easier to do face to face though :/)
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    Yup, that sounds something like it. Outside, I've forgotten about that I feel so alive when going out with friends. Haven't done that almost at all for a few months. Well, the wheather here has been less than uninviting.. but.. yeah, gotta do some of that, yes
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    Let my 'S' side come out and play once in a while.

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    Why make a schedule if you are not chosing to follow it? Whats the point of making a schedule, then? Scheduling things itself is alrady a rigid behavior, because you are limiting your life into square boxes. What are you afriad of? Being too P and procrastinating. That you won't be an entj anymore and lose that false sense of invincibility
    I take back what I said, that was mean. :ouch:

    If you believe using your Te will make your life better, that is good for you.
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    At this stage in my life, I generally just ride it out. I know the little demon that keeps the fire lit under my backside will inevitably resurface so I just enjoy the quiet time as much as possible until it passes. Sometimes it gets hard to be patient enough to let it run its course but I've found if I really try to beat it it just gets worse. While in one of those weird patches, I go through the motions of my usual ENTJ life only as much as is necessary (keeping the house clean, taking care of the kids, getting to class, etc.) but I don't take on new projects or "start" things though.

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