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    Default Chameleon INTP, and forced extroversion.

    I have a hunch. INTPs do act like a chameleon a lot, or at least they think they do, because there aren't too many of us in the first place, and chances are, even our closest friend, isn't even an INTP (highly likely an NF chick we do consider flirting with).

    Were there enough times you actually felt you sincerely acted INTP socially?

    Actually, I act legitimately INTP when I'm with my usually older ENFP friends. It's fun being a devil's advocate of their idealism.

    I realized though that Ti is never a girl magnet and if I want to have chances with girls (for example), I usually toggle my ENTP sarcasm with occasional whiff of ENFP romanticism. It certainly puts me at a better social disposition. Toggling is easy because lately, I'm more like xNxP. At this rate, I dont think I'd still be INTP for the next couple of years.

    Still, having a very strong N means I'll botch up a group interaction composed of ESFx's. It just happened a few days ago.
    I was interacting with more than 10 of them.

    At least having a good understanding of MBTI helps me find a comfy social niche. Selective and slightly prejudicial it may seem, at least it lessens isolation.

    Seriously, I dont think i can live life well having a strong Ti, with no other legitimately strong cognitive auxilary. If I would hate J, then I need to be an extroverted P to be an effective countermeasure.

    Anybody shares a similar outlook?

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    I act legitimatly INTP in sterile new situations.

    In a place for work, or something. I'm just my INTP self and don't care about how I'm seen.


    When going out, well, when I still drank I didn't care much about anything and just did whatever my mind thought doing.

    But now when I go out. I do find myself often trying to fit in a bit more. Being a bit more of a chameleon. Just so I don't look too boring. Dancing, laughning, talking and joking. Doing all kinds of thinks INTP's don't do usually! I can't do it for the entireity of the night though. An hour or so at most and I'll make up a witty excuse to take a break or something. It requires quite a lot of energy for me to speak up between a bunch of ESFJ's to actually say something funny at the right time. Damn ESFJ's missing out on so many jokes because I felt the moment was past. :P

    Around close friends I can just be myself though. People that know me well enough I also am more E with and it just tends to be a laugh. I can be my sterile fun self that talks seriously and throws out some one liners to not spoil the mood.

    But the main reason I try to fit in as much as possible in some situations is because I'm curious about people and often would like to know more and realize that interaction is ultimatly the best way of learning more.

    I've heard that acting ESFJ-ish makes us look silly, and also that looking silly isn't a negative thing and does make for quite some interaction. Teehee.

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    In all honesty, I'm not sure about what ye (OP) are saying... I fully understand the chameleon effect, and use to full advantage to make my life easier, but it doesn't change what I'm like at the core. It (lots of group socialising) tires me mentally/emotionally, because the less required alone time I have the more irritable, reserved, and overly logical I become.

    I don't become more like other 'types' when I act like them - I actually start to wonder more and more how they stand those activities, like large-group socialisation or being loud. I can understand it, and enjoy it for short periods of time, but that doesn't make me want to do it any more than I have to to keep myself comfortable and amused.

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    In a few words, I see it as a potential way to broaden my own horizons a bit. I'd never truely become any other type, fully agree on that. But I can chameleonize my feelings towards enjoying life the way other types enjoy life.

    But I have to feel comfortable before even trying it. If I'm in a new club or a new place, I fail at it. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    In a few words, I see it as a potential way to broaden my own horizons a bit. I'd never truely become any other type, fully agree on that. But I can chameleonize my feelings towards enjoying life the way other types enjoy life.

    But I have to feel comfortable before even trying it. If I'm in a new club or a new place, I fail at it. :P
    Oh, I understood you - I was referring to the OP. Apologies for the slight lack of clarity.

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    Haight and I have both studied "mirroring" behavior (non-type) related, and thus the chameleon effect, there's a few books out there about it. (I have one about the Imposter Syndrome too.)

    For me, I grew up in a religious environment / very SJ environment, so I learned to wear a sort of "F" face. I also used my N to connect with people (figure out what they wanted from me and how to interact with them in a way that made me acceptable and safe). Inside I was frustrated a lot because I never felt like I could just be me and say what I meant without someone flipping out; but I thought it was "wrong" to create tension due to my religious ruleset (which I pretty much had no chance to not follow, considering it was my basic frame I was taught and if I had abandoned it, I wouldn't have been able to survive because family and friends would have dumped me or made my life hell).

    I can still do it, but it's far more conscious and by choice, not a coping mechanism.

    I also tend to "emulate" the people I'm with, in order to maximize the connection of ideas and experiences (so I allow myself to manifest the points of commonality in my personality, while cloaking the parts that could cause issues). Funny enough, in a discussion, which I consider to be "impersonal" and not relational, I do mention points of commonality in order to strengthen the sense of connection... but you can tell I am comfortable when I do the more natural thing of proposing the POV that is currently not being presented (i.e., the "other side" or "missing angle"). I only really do that alot when I feel like people won't mistake me for an enemy and thus flip out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Haight and I have both studied "mirroring" behavior (non-type) related, and thus the chameleon effect, there's a few books out there about it. (I have one about the Imposter Syndrome too.)

    For me, I grew up in a religious environment / very SJ environment, so I learned to wear a sort of "F" face. I also used my N to connect with people (figure out what they wanted from me and how to interact with them in a way that made me acceptable and safe). Inside I was frustrated a lot because I never felt like I could just be me and say what I meant without someone flipping out; but I thought it was "wrong" to create tension due to my religious ruleset (which I pretty much had no chance to not follow, considering it was my basic frame I was taught and if I had abandoned it, I wouldn't have been able to survive because family and friends would have dumped me or made my life hell).

    I can still do it, but it's far more conscious and by choice, not a coping mechanism.

    I also tend to "emulate" the people I'm with, in order to maximize the connection of ideas and experiences (so I allow myself to manifest the points of commonality in my personality, while cloaking the parts that could cause issues). Funny enough, in a discussion, which I consider to be "impersonal" and not relational, I do mention points of commonality in order to strengthen the sense of connection... but you can tell I am comfortable when I do the more natural thing of proposing the POV that is currently not being presented (i.e., the "other side" or "missing angle"). I only really do that alot when I feel like people won't mistake me for an enemy and thus flip out.

    I can relate a lot to that enviroment as my parents are ESTJ and EsFj who actually met in a church. What was strange is that my dad encouraged my questions a lot but as i got more "radical" he stopped encouraging and we started to lock horns. I think my dad secretly admires N types proberly because he was brought to end up being an individualist or at least individual for an ESTJ.

    As to the chameleon effect i never force Extroversion though recently its been coming out itself a lot. Interesting thing is i normal chameleon absolutely or not at all. Infact sometimes i do this thing where i delibratly stand out - kind of anti chameleon - so to not get drawn in to SJ like standards in the first place. The rest ofthe time i do the whole "i am a wall" routine.

    Any other INTPs ever get the anti-chameleon thing?
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    Anti-chameleon is like glorifying INTPness. But isn't being INTP per se troubling enough for SJs?

    Jennifer,
    Just wondering. How was your early love life. Do you get to draw NF men (like there are a lot of them), and can you picture out an idea on how different love life is to an INTP woman, compared to the more common INTP males?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypocalypse View Post
    Anti-chameleon is like glorifying INTPness. But isn't being INTP per se troubling enough for SJs?

    Jennifer,
    Just wondering. How was your early love life. Do you get to draw NF men (like there are a lot of them), and can you picture out an idea on how different love life is to an INTP woman, compared to the more common INTP males?
    Yeah it is! They have really hated me recently though as i've been turning ENTP! I think my dad sees it as getting more confident in the wrong way. I think he see the glimpes i give him of Ne as an "immature stage" of puberty!
    "I'd never die for my beliefs, I might be wrong"

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    Honestly, author, I act INTP a lot of the time, unless I am coxing a race. Then I act ENTJ. I wouldn't act unlike an INTP unless something important was at stake.
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