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    i need back up soon before you send me into an identity crisis! where are the other ENFPs/Fi users?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkgraffiti View Post
    i need back up soon before you send me into an identity crisis! where are the other ENFPs/Fi users?
    sure - these forums are built for it...

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    would you feel guilty or ashamed if you where found inconsistent in your principles? would you feel guilty even if you were not found?

    can you think of any examples in which your principles are not the same as the ones your parents and/or authority figures have instilled in your early childhood?

    if so, how old where you when they tried instilling the principles you didn't embrace as apposed to the principles which you did? did you find that the principles you didn't embrace inconsistent with the ones you did?

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    "ashamed"? no. i'd feel angry with myself and confused and would have to retreat to understand how i really felt about something. again, the feeling is inside, it doesn't change, you might misinterpret it, you might not act on it, but it doesn't change. it's that nagging voice that tells you you did something wrong....(like pinocchio's conscience)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    sure - these forums are built for it...

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    would you feel ashamed if you where found inconsistent in your principles? would you be ashamed of it even if you were not found?

    can you think of any examples in which your principles are not the same as the ones your parents and/or authority figures have instilled in your early childhood?

    if so, how old where you when they tried instilling the principles you didn't embrace as apposed to the principles which you did? did you find that the principles you didn't embrace inconsistent with the ones you did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkgraffiti View Post
    it's that nagging voice that tells you you did something wrong....
    right, i'll change that to guilt.

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    it's just that...i don't think fi or fe is inherently good...by nature. people can have fucked up ideals with either one i think. i think it's just part of your development. as you grow you are defining yourself and your beliefs...i think those you were raised with that feel right to you are easy...and the ones you weren't may become a struggle later as you define yourself but in the end it's you who decides.

    it is interesting tho for sure..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    it's just that...i don't think fi or fe is inherently good...by nature. people can have fucked up ideals with either one i think. i think it's just part of your development. as you grow you are defining yourself and your beliefs...i think those you were raised with that feel right to you are easy...and the ones you weren't may become a struggle later as you define yourself but in the end it's you who decides.

    it is interesting tho for sure..
    Exactly. This what I meant all along as well. Neither Fi nor Fe has imo a mutually exclusive right to automatically develop principles. Because Fi thinking is concerned with the self, it often does produce principles; while Fe thinking can help you to sell your principles in society, without alienating people. Of course the latter one sometimes is oriented towards society, therefore you may develop principles which were transferred by society and aint actually those you need for your personal development. Thats when the yin and yang principle comes into play again and that life is about balance and when you can need a Fi person to help you.

    But and thats the bottom line, mbti is not enough to help you developing your own personality and principles. Basically you shouldnt start with mbti before you havent fortified yourself in your personality to some extent. Sadly this is wishful thinking and in reality hardly possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    would you feel guilty or ashamed if you where found inconsistent in your principles? would you feel guilty even if you were not found?

    can you think of any examples in which your principles are not the same as the ones your parents and/or authority figures have instilled in your early childhood?

    if so, how old where you when they tried instilling the principles you didn't embrace as apposed to the principles which you did? did you find that the principles you didn't embrace inconsistent with the ones you did?
    To the first question: Yes, absolutely. No one would take me or my opinions seriously. Who wants advice from a hypocrite? Or someone who is easily swayed by influence?

    Most of my principles are the same as my parent's, especially my dad. It's because they are respectable people and are thoroughly consistant in their beliefs. For example, my mom is extremely frugal. I see the benefits from it and so I became extremely frugal. At first I hated it because she enforced it on me since I was born, but I grew to understand once I left for college and got time away from her.

    I hate being told what to do lol. So if anyone tries to do that, I won't listen, no matter how right they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovereeses View Post
    To the first question: Yes, absolutely. No one would take me or my opinions seriously. Who wants advice from a hypocrite? Or someone who is easily swayed by influence?

    Most of my principles are the same as my parent's, especially my dad. It's because they are respectable people and are thoroughly consistant in their beliefs. For example, my mom is extremely frugal. I see the benefits from it and so I became extremely frugal. At first I hated it because she enforced it on me since I was born, but I grew to understand once I left for college and got time away from her.

    I hate being told what to do lol. So if anyone tries to do that, I won't listen, no matter how right they are.
    Except for its an intj telling you what to do with muscles of steel and shimmering manlinke sweat dropping in the sunlight, no ?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    sure - these forums are built for it...

    paging the thread's ENFPs:
    @Lady X
    @HelenOfTroy
    @ilovereeses
    @DisneyFanGirl
    @Esoteric Wench
    @MafiaAngel180
    @Wild horses
    @LunaIndigo
    @ConchShell
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    would you feel guilty or ashamed if you where found inconsistent in your principles? would you feel guilty even if you were not found?
    Umm, do you mean holding contradictory principals? Because i have plenty of those, they are/seem to be inconsistant. They make sense to me and if someone else has many hours in which to listen to my explanations they will probably make sense to them too,.. not to say they would be in agreement but they would understand. I don't feel guilty about that at all... i make no excuses for it either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    can you think of any examples in which your principles are not the same as the ones your parents and/or authority figures have instilled in your early childhood?
    Oh plenty! But my parents are fairly open minded so it's hard for them not to be accepting of the differences. I debate far more with my father (ENTP) than my mother (ENFP). With my mother we more "discuss" as we are both quite careful not to upset each other... pft what am i saying... we really really rub up the wrong way at times... but in more of an emotional way... responding to each others tones ...picking up on vibes etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    if so, how old where you when they tried instilling the principles you didn't embrace as apposed to the principles which you did? did you find that the principles you didn't embrace inconsistent with the ones you did?
    Not really sure on this..umm...
    I do remember walking out of the house and going to sunday school around the age of 8...my parents were very opposed to this as they were not religious but i wanted to learn and to find out about christianity and christians... so off i trotted. They did eventually understand this. I'm trying to think more generally but it's hard to pinpoint anything. I was always rebellious but it was really difficult being rebellious when i had such accepting parents... probably too accepting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    sure - these forums are built for it...

    paging the thread's ENFPs:
    @Lady X
    @HelenOfTroy
    @ilovereeses
    @DisneyFanGirl
    @Esoteric Wench
    @MafiaAngel180
    @Wild horses
    @LunaIndigo
    @ConchShell
    @Rachelinpa


    would you feel guilty or ashamed if you where found inconsistent in your principles? would you feel guilty even if you were not found?
    Umm, do you mean holding contradictory principals? Because i have plenty of those, they are/seem to be inconsistant. They make sense to me and if someone else has many hours in which to listen to my explanations they will probably make sense to them too,.. not to say they would be in agreement but they would understand. I don't feel guilty about that at all... i make no excuses for it either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    can you think of any examples in which your principles are not the same as the ones your parents and/or authority figures have instilled in your early childhood?
    Oh plenty! But my parents are fairly open minded so it's hard for them not to be accepting of the differences. I debate far more with my father (ENTP) than my mother (ENFP). With my mother we more "discuss" as we are both quite careful not to upset each other... pft what am i saying... we really really rub up the wrong way at times... but in more of an emotional way... responding to each others tones ...picking up on vibes etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    if so, how old where you when they tried instilling the principles you didn't embrace as apposed to the principles which you did? did you find that the principles you didn't embrace inconsistent with the ones you did?
    Not really sure on this..umm...
    I do remember walking out of the house and going to sunday school around the age of 8...my parents were very opposed to this as they were not religious but i wanted to learn and to find out about christianity and christians... so off i trotted. They did eventually understand this. I'm trying to think more generally but it's hard to pinpoint anything. I was always rebellious but it was really difficult being rebellious when i had such accepting parents... probably too accepting.


    Oh right... but if you are looking at my holding conflicting views because of my own and those of my parents not being one and the same then theres not much to tell because there are a lot of similarities...also a lot of differences but i refer back to the above.


    EDIT: Actually there is, theres a lot more to say on this...hmm i need to think about it and come back.
    "We knew he was someone who had a tragic flaw, that's where his greatness came from"

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