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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    I have given this serious thought, and I believe the answer is:

    Cleavage.
    It sounds crazy, but it just might work!
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    It would be interesting to have a "How I Met My INTJ" thread.
    "The life of the individual has meaning only insofar as it aids in making the life of every living thing nobler and more beautiful."
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    What heart?
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalMethod View Post
    It would be interesting to have a "How I Met My INTJ" thread.
    It would be, indeed. I'd find this thread fascinating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Why is that, can you INTJs explain that?
    I don't know. Maybe these are abilities we'll never possess, and you people are like our "other half" or whatever. Ugh, too much syrup...
    Can't help it, I'm extremely biased at the moment.

    I have to add, ENFPs can be also distractive and tiresome from time to time, but who cares if they have such a sweet and charming personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild horses View Post
    So Amar... I know that there has been many other threads about this but is ENFP / INTJ really a good match... I am surprised that they are sooo accepting of our silliness... But I have had similar experiences with them also.. Usually they are known by others as being quite stern almost difficult characters but the two in particualr I am thinking of have always been so sweet with me to make me think that popele had got them wrong or something.. Or maybe they are just humouring me
    Honestly-sorry my INTJs-when people talk about my INTJs they are not always nice. I currently work with three and all three are acknowledged as good at what they do but folks dont like to interact with them. When we enfps interact with them I think we can approach with our Fi all hanging out and it can twitch their Fi. Pure Fi seems to have a hard time being dishonst or false. I think the INTJs "see" that authinticity and let down thier guard. It has worked with all of them.

    The hardest one to touch was a young kid-about 23-in grad school. I kept trying to advise him about using an ultracentrifuge and he was very INTJ like towards me and would not listen. He broke tubes inside the 10K rotor and got some shit from others in his lab and mine. Instead of being critical I couldn't help but be feel bad for him as I some how knew he felt isolated. I stopped by and joked about how I messed up the rotor before that one, and then helped him find the right types of tubes to use. He was my friend after that.

    I have never been involved romatically but I could see how it could happen easily given the right circumstances. However it would not be a simple fling at all, but something pretty intense I would gather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Interesting, mine was the same. He has plenty of guys online that he can talk to about his interests, and god knows I cannot keep up with his brain or his interests, but somehow he really enjoyed my flirty nature and the fact that I saw through him easily. Why is that, can you INTJs explain that?
    Umm...

    it's less lonely that way?

    The process of coming to know the secrets of the universe is internal. An audience isn't needed or wanted for the process to work. And when the process is done, an audience is equally as pointless as before: the secrets are there to use, not for applause. Oh sure, we can get on a talking jag where those secrets are revealled again and again and again, but that's laying out the script for how to use them, not for being impressed by them.

    So... the past is done, the future is spelled out, and the immediate moment is...

    nothing.


    Perhaps I exaggerate for pathos and hugs, but there it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Oh sure, we can get on a talking jag where those secrets are revealled again and again and again, but that's laying out the script for how to use them, not for being impressed by them.

    So... the past is done, the future is spelled out, and the immediate moment is...

    nothing.
    Kalach can you say a bit more about the talking jag? I notice some INTJs do like to share thier discoveries somewhat pedantically. You ask for the time and get the historhey of the clock sort of thing...which can be really fascinating, but takes some time.

    As for the rest of the post, it's sort of sadly moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happy puppy View Post
    Kalach can you say a bit more about the talking jag? I notice some INTJs do like to share thier discoveries somewhat pedantically. You ask for the time and get the historhey of the clock sort of thing...which can be really fascinating, but takes some time.
    I dunno. I guess the jag varies according to the INTJ's sense of right time, right place, right subject. It's an efficiency thing, like a sense of "are they getting this?", and in lieu of efficiency, it can be a hammer thing, insisting via directive words that something come true, or be understood, or be followed. INTJs get to be boring when they're off and rolling and looking for a closure of some kind so they're ignoring the stop signs. I guess it can be because they've chosen to try their hand at revealling the universal a priori, but picked a dumb topic, one that doesn't really let them do what they do best.

    Yeah, it is authoritarian and horrible, really, a product of not really believing that anything can be made true, but I'm pretty sure the jag can be stopped just by being interacted with. Depending a bit, of course, on maturity and the INTJ's sense of goals being on the way to being met. Whatever the hell those goals may be.

    And some of us just are boring pedants.

    We used to have like a swimsuit calendar of those guys. Skinny hairless geeks with dead eyes in speedos. Then one guy got his picture took in a nice grey suit and he had two sheep's eyes and maybe a banana in some speedos that he held out in front of him. Big laughs, but they didn't do the calendar anymore after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    They look at you like you're this magical creature they've never seen before. [...] I never understood why they are so accepting of our nature and enjoy basking in our craziness, but I love 'em for it
    As for the staring thing...

    I'll stare at pretty much anyone, and I don't know why that is, except it's a fairly sensitive act of looking for something. I know it is because I'll often not see the thing, whatever it is, and break off the stare because I don't want to be seen to be searching, I guess.

    I met an ENTP the other day, and she got stared at. It was different from watching an ENFP. I could see (and hear) an aggressive restless thing she had going. It was in a public place so it was interesting seeing her eyes work, flicking here and there, checking out the other people. There was a kind of outwardness to it that ENFPs don't use, and to my sense of things it was... angry? So I guess I was seeing Ne+Fe rather than Ne+Fi.

    There's something else going on in this staring business too because I have a harder time keeping the stare feeling right in front of INFPs. They have their own expectant thing going on and it can be a little hard to meet.

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