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    Senior Member Cypocalypse's Avatar
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    Default How innate is Ne/Ti exactly?

    Are there any xNTPs here that was raised in a very J environment in such a way that NeTi couldn't possibly have developed early.

    My mom is an ESFJ teacher, dad is an ISTJ Civil Engineer (hardly influential in my growing years because he's always abroad), and I was raised a Catholic (another J entity), studied in a stereotypical J school like anyone else.

    If I think about it, there isn't any room here for NeTi to flourish. It made me think if I'm just INTP as a nurturing mechanism rather than a natural one.

    I have a hunch. Quite a number of NTPs may have been raised as Js, believed that they're actually Js, until unexpected things in life happen--things don't go as planned.

    It's only good to be J if things go as planned, otherwise it's better to be a P for improvisation.

    I think...

    STJs - believe that the established rules are the right ones.

    NTJs - believe that they are better than their STJ counterparts because of their 'foresight'.

    Some NTPs - got messed up by the system, decided to avoid the rat race their TJ brothers go into, started to look for their outside niche, consequently broadening up their Ne, now wanting to have a laid back and a more fun way of learning. Essentially laid back without sacrificing intellectual proficiency (NeTi). Eventually hoping that a more individualistic take on learning will forge eventual mastery of a certain field, with a minimized sense of an SJ obligation.

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    Anyway, I'm 27. The first INTP I met was a genius of a college professor around 5 years ago. And I was able to understand MBTI just recently. Heck, I doubt if I'll ever have any idea of the p/j duality without it. Only after learning mbti did i appreciate how much of a genius my professor was. I even thought that he was needlessly arrogant that time.

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    I was an INTX. I turned P when I realized it is a free world, and you can't achieve certain goals by being a J. Being a J is like building a fence around ytour life, hoping things will never spin out of control.
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    I totally grew up in my shadow and it sucked. I guess I always knew that I wasn't "me" and I could never figure out what that meant, since I knew shit about MBTI. I just felt suffocated by my SJ family and lacked any real sense of self. I think I had my first ENTP moment when I left home very abruptly as a teen. Once I got that taste of freedom, fun, possibility and adventure, I've never looked back.

    Edit: But even though I was in my shadow, I was still very intellectually curious and did very well in school. I definitely wore my parents and teachers out with my constant stream of "what if" and "but why" questions...

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    I grew up into an extremely J environment (family, brother, cousins... all are meticulously J), and I have no idea why I ended as a very strong P.

    Maybe it's my teachers. They were fascinated by my abilities as a young kid, they were in awe. So maybe they gave me too much space and freedom.

    I have no idea.
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    I have an ESFJ mom, INTJ dad and younger brother, and ESTJ older sister. All of my immediate family, then, is very J, and I grew up in a J environment and acted pretty INTJ up until I was about 14-15.

    At this point I got sick of being introverted/shy and grew into this kind of nasty ENTJ phase, which mellowed out into ENTP by age 18 or so, once I realized trying to imitate my family's J-ness was leading to chronic stifling of my natural impulses, making me even more depressed and neurotic than usual.

    But often, P isn't really that cool. I get sick of being so unable to focus on any goal that doesn't interest me; it's like I objectively recognize the value in planning for things but I still don't bother.

    Sometimes I feel like the only good thing about being P is getting along with other Ps. I hate to admit it but I need J people to push me toward tangible goals!
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    I was raised in a very rigid household. But as I got older my boundaries were expanded and my imagination and rationalization grew beyond the limits for my age. It was hard for me to control and still is.

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    I was raised in a pretty TJ environment. I'd say this repressed who I am quite a bit, most of the things that were natural to me as a P were labelled as immaturities or laziness according to the ESTJ and ENTJ in my family. Even made me think I was INTJ for a while there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    I was raised in a pretty TJ environment. I'd say this repressed who I am quite a bit, most of the things that were natural to me as a P were labelled as immaturities or laziness according to the ESTJ and ENTJ in my family. Even made me think I was INTJ for a while there
    Same here. My mom says that to me every day. "Adam, you are so lazy." or "Adam, you are so immature."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasting_Pain View Post
    Same here. My mom says that to me every day. "Adam, you are so lazy." or "Adam, you are so immature."
    Eh! I hear that.

    You know that tuning out reality thing thatís lots of fun when you wanna waste the day away but also consequently means you donít hear when youíre asked to do things, yeah, that shat my mother, she never believed that I didnít register what she was saying, boy would I get in trouble!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    Eh! I hear that.

    You know that tuning out reality thing thatís lots of fun when you wanna waste the day away but also consequently means you donít hear when youíre asked to do things, yeah, that shat my mother, she never believed that I didnít register what she was saying, boy would I get in trouble!
    Same here. I am behind socially, because I tuned out reality too much.

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