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    Ok, I understand.
    Well, I guess I use the same technique, only starting from the "completely trusting" bias... If you earn my mistrust, you'll not lose it as easily.

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    i would date me
    im not sure about a long term relationship though

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    Yeah, from what's said about liking an ENTP just for them being different from 'normal girls' I can agree, well, usually ENTP women make me grumble ("Yes, you DO know more than me about practically everything, but you don't have to sound like it. Do you even realize you sound like it?") another I've recently met is more of a 'Hey, whatever man people are people. Now I'm going to go watch Star Trek.' kind of person. I can feel a click when we hang out and have random conversations. Since all of my friends in the past have been guys, her manliness keeps me from the normal discomfort around women. 'If I say something stupid, I KNOW she won't blow up in my face.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppy View Post
    The ones I know are typically toilet-papering trees and sitting outside people's houses in vans, giggling uproariously.
    Sounds perfect. If the giggling isn't obnoxious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    People here seem to suggest an ENTP women, or even a NT women in general is exactly what they want but like BlahBlahNounBlah suggested ENTP women usually defy the feminine stereotypes, maybe people suggest that's what they want but my reality suggests very few men can actually handle it let alone like it, most of the men I've ended up with have loved my independence, bluntness and lack of shame and then turned around and expected me to be more ISFJ like.
    Oh god, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I have a feeling that one thing that might repel people about NTPs in general is that they've likely had so many relationship failures that it's made them paranoid and cynical enough that no one wants to deal with someone who has all their past issues and hangups. So in other words, they get off to a bad start due to their unconventionality, and by the time they find people who can understand them, they're too messed up from trying to read subtle signs and compensate for their failures that they start seeing things that aren't even there, and can't genuinely trust or relate to anyone.

    Of course, I don't really see why so many people dislike them, but then I'm not even attracted to women, so... who am I to judge, I guess? Maybe there's something inherent about the psychological nature of being attracted to women that makes ENTPs seem undesirable to such people.
    I've never repelled anyone and I doubt many people dislike me or find me undesirable. I have had no relationship failures. I end things when they are not good. A failure would be to stay.

    It is true that I am not palatable to all men, but I doubt any woman is. If you mean that NF men find me paranoid and cynical or whatever, I will totally agree with you, even though I am none of those things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post
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    "Look, I have a crush on you. You can do whatever you want with it - turn me down now, accept me, but I just want you to know."
    me too.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlahBlahNounBlah View Post
    I'm not disliked, and I don't repel people (i'm referring to real life ... not this forum).

    People are actually drawn to me, repeatedly, over and over and over. I just don't know that they understand the difference between what they're seeking and what they actually want.
    Yeah. What she said.

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    For the most part, people's weak ego play a big part
    They want what they cannot handle nor have
    I N V I C T U S

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    I don't decide against anyone over something vague like that if I'm interested. When it comes to relationships I will let my emotions direct what I do, if I'm interested then I'll pursue it up until my head can make sense of things and see the discrepancies. If someone is interested in who they think I could be and that image is different to who I am then my interest will be lost pretty damn quick.
    Nice. Makes sense.


    Kinda but my perception isn't wrong, I know this because without being fake I don't show my real self if I don't feel right about my relationship with another person, I'll test the waters and reveal little things to gauge reactions, if they're not well met then I'll withdraw. I'm not deciding what the other person wants I'm seeing that I can't be myself around them as that's disapproved of and if I can't be myself then they can't be after who I actually am even if they say they are.
    Okay - that really helps. Do you think there is space here for misinterpretation of the other person's reactions? Wouldn't a conversation be helpful too to understand where the other person may be coming from? I think this is hard for me as an ENFP because I am so willing to show myself (at least larger parts) and assume the other person is doing the same. Also, we do like to talk through everything - there is that

    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    That's ENFPs.
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    Does not compute.


    I might seem naive to an observer, only because I disregard details that many people tend to take very seriously. But the important part is this is a conscious decision. It's not based on ignorance, blind trust, or an assumption that people are fundamentally good. I don't trust anyone until they earn it, and I don't expect anyone to trust me until I do the same.
    Yep. That is ENFPs to the hilt - at least applies well in my case. There is an inherent faith in basic human virtues. Those don't have to be proven to me. I'll assume that. This could lead to naivety. Living in a big city for a long time (the natural paranoia and skepticism that comes with it) helped alleviate some of the naivete for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    Kinda but my perception isn't wrong, I know this because without being fake I don't show my real self if I don't feel right about my relationship with another person, I'll test the waters and reveal little things to gauge reactions, if they're not well met then I'll withdraw. I'm not deciding what the other person wants I'm seeing that I can't be myself around them as that's disapproved of and if I can't be myself then they can't be after who I actually am even if they say they are.
    This sounds like what I do...


    Quote Originally Posted by Argus2968 View Post
    Sounds perfect. If the giggling isn't obnoxious.
    I suspect it can get that bad; then again, I suspect what they're giggling about would be worth that kind of obnoxiousness.
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    In my experience, it's been NF types that seem to crawl out of the woodwork.
    In my defense, I am a terrible person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I've never repelled anyone and I doubt many people dislike me or find me undesirable. I have had no relationship failures. I end things when they are not good. A failure would be to stay.
    Well, I would agree with that. That's a better perspective. It's better to be the person who decides that it's time to move on, than to get dumped.
    It is true that I am not palatable to all men, but I doubt any woman is. If you mean that NF men find me paranoid and cynical or whatever, I will totally agree with you, even though I am none of those things.
    I wasn't talking about you, but there do seem to be plenty of INTP women (and men, for that matter) that end up sabotaging themselves that way, and some of what Trinity said gave me the impression that some of this might apply to ENTPs as well. It seems to be much less severe and common with ENTPs than INTPs, though.

    You actually seem like a self-confident optimist to me. But you aren't a typical ENTP.

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