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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    well, here you are kind of implying being P are lazy and stupid. Being a P will never get anything done and you need to be a J to accomplish things. Well, i am questioning you what is productive and what is not? Why do you think J are superior to Ps. You are also implying Ps would avoid doing anything and ENTJs are the only people putting their plans to action.

    What is action then? Thats what I am asking you? As long as our body is using energy, it is taking action.

    You can go guesss what the point of the story is. It has a double meaning.
    I think you've mistaken my sentiment towards ENTPs. I don't believe there inferior, and I've not said anything of the sort. I think there wonderful at playing devils advocate. Haha. I'm a proponent of the belief that all types are equal but different.

    ENTJs have strengths. ENTPs have strengths. They're not the same strengths. Js are planners by nature. In some sense you could interpret ENTJ to mean "rational people planners". I see a more accurate description of ENTPs as "rational people explorers". It's a different preference, which isn't task-oriented.

    It doesn't mean ENTPs are lazy, or ENTJs arn't lazy.

    And, it's not just about action, it's about strategic action. To me, strategic action means: an action taken in pursuit of a likely outcome. This is natural ENTJ territory. Which is not to say it's impossible for ENTPs, simply ENTJs are predisposed to thinking this way.

    ENTPs tend to focus on enjoying the journey, while ENTJs focus on arriving at the destination.

    I feel I'm being fair about this. But, I'll let other board members decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    Please define "powerful".

    Strength? Physical strength? Type's irrelevent
    Ability to complete projects... meet goals/milestones? ENTJ
    Inventor, genius? ENTP
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    Competition of leadership within the flock.
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    Competition of leadership btw two flocks.

    Not an individual thing. An evolutionary program within the DNA.
    Pure chemistry.
    Garden variety, very boring.

    What was useful has become a burden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangler View Post
    I think you've mistaken my sentiment towards ENTPs. I don't believe there inferior, and I've not said anything of the sort. I think there wonderful at playing devils advocate. Haha. I'm a proponent of the belief that all types are equal but different.

    ENTJs have strengths. ENTPs have strengths. They're not the same strengths. Js are planners by nature. In some sense you could interpret ENTJ to mean "rational people planners". I see a more accurate description of ENTPs as "rational people explorers". It's a different preference, which isn't task-oriented.

    It doesn't mean ENTPs are lazy, or ENTJs arn't lazy.

    And, it's not just about action, it's about strategic action. To me, strategic action means: an action taken in pursuit of a likely outcome. This is natural ENTJ territory. Which is not to say it's impossible for ENTPs, simply ENTJs are predisposed to thinking this way.

    ENTPs tend to focus on enjoying the journey, while ENTJs focus on arriving at the destination.

    I feel I'm being fair about this. But, I'll let other board members decide.
    This is a fair assessment. I have nothing to object against this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
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    Competition of leadership (1) within the flock.
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    Competition of leadership btw two flocks.

    Not an individual thing.(1) An evolutionary program within the DNA.
    Pure chemistry.
    Garden variety, very boring.

    What was useful has become a burden.(2)

    (1)By insinuating LEADERship (one leading over other)...there MUST be an individual thing. Otherwise, it's contradictory. Or, you should specify talking of a theoretical utopian anarchist (or libertarian) society.

    (2)Burden how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    (1)By insinuating LEADERship (one leading over other)...there MUST be an individual thing. Otherwise, it's contradictory. Or, you should specify talking of a theoretical utopian anarchist (or libertarian) society.

    (2)Burden how?
    Competition for power has become a burden.
    It is in the DNA. Chimpanzees, wolves and other natural animals.
    What do you do to nature?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangler View Post

    And, it's not just about action, it's about strategic action. To me, strategic action means: an action taken in pursuit of a likely outcome.
    No no, you've got it all wrong; anything involving actions is clearly Se. You're an obvious ESFP, and don't try to tell me otherwise because everything you say will be interpreted as yet more evidence of your use of the functions I've just described, while conveniently ignoring any legitimate counterpoints contained therein.




    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    (1)By insinuating LEADERship (one leading over other)...there MUST be an individual thing. Otherwise, it's contradictory. Or, you should specify talking of a theoretical utopian anarchist (or libertarian) society.

    (2)Burden how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    No no, you've got it all wrong; anything involving actions is clearly Se. You're an obvious ESFP, and don't try to tell me otherwise because everything you say will be interpreted as yet more evidence of your use of the functions I've just described, while conveniently ignoring any legitimate counterpoints contained therein.

    Yes, it's irrelevant that ENTJs have Se as a tertiary function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangler View Post
    Yes, it's irrelevant that ENTJs have Se as a tertiary function.
    An ESFP would say that. Chalk up one more point of indisputable evidence for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Competition for power has become a burden.
    That's what I don't get. It's become? That would suggest that it wasn't before. And has become so now. And if you say that it's in our DNA (i.e., always was, has been, will)...I don't understand this concept of a 'new burden' of power. Can you clarify?

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