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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    Ok 4 to 1.
    You can do better than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    You can do better than that.
    Of course I can but you have to play to your audience.

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    I suppose Te and Se are generally considered as functions that make people "powerful", especially in the leading block. In my experience, ESTPs and ENTJs are the two types that can be commonly thought about as "tough" or "powerful" or whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I suppose Te and Se are generally considered as functions that make people "powerful", especially in the leading block. In my experience, ESTPs and ENTJs are the two types that can be commonly thought about as "tough" or "powerful" or whatever.
    you didn't read any of the other posts did you? you just read the original post and replied to it?

    tough is not power. tough could be interpreted as unbending, stubborn and inflexible. but it could no way be considered to be powerful.

    but if you describe powerful to be - "standing your ground against all odds" then tough is definitely powerful. then you've got your winner ESTP/ESTJ.

    but then again Se nor Te is what makes you tough. INFJs have neither (they have Se as their least developed function) but they could be tougher than a 'cornered tiger' when they believe that somethings worth fighting for.

    so Se is not what makes you tough.
    there you go, i just proved that Se doesn't mean powerful.

    your other point was that Te is associated with tough and power. i again have to point out that if you believe tough to be power you've got your winner ENTJ.

    but tough is not power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravana View Post
    so Se is not what makes you tough.
    there you go, i just proved that Se doesn't mean powerful.
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    actaully YOU DIDNT! that INFJ inferior Se, is completely unleashed with 'no holds barred' and you get to see the full power of Se.... Se is exactly what makes them powerful. Its the same reason why ENTJs can become insanely Fi about strange things like 'their country', they go 'no holds barred' on Fi

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravana View Post
    you didn't read any of the other posts did you? you just read the original post and replied to it?

    tough is not power. tough could be interpreted as unbending, stubborn and inflexible. but it could no way be considered to be powerful.

    but if you describe powerful to be - "standing your ground against all odds" then tough is definitely powerful. then you've got your winner ESTP/ESTJ.

    but then again Se nor Te is what makes you tough. INFJs have neither (they have Se as their least developed function) but they could be tougher than a 'cornered tiger' when they believe that somethings worth fighting for.

    so Se is not what makes you tough.
    there you go, i just proved that Se doesn't mean powerful.

    your other point was that Te is associated with tough and power. i again have to point out that if you believe tough to be power you've got your winner ENTJ.

    but tough is not power.
    Yeah, I didn't read the whole topic. Anyway, it's not something you can "logically prove", as you're doing. I was just adding my observation; maybe it's wrong, maybe it's true only near my city. Who knows? I didn't mean to create an explicit logical rule. I don't think that tough people are always the most powerful, far from it, but they often appear - at first glance - to be the most powerful, on average.
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    First off, you would need to find an ENTP that had the desire to do something at 100% as opposed to wanting to know they could. This is why we're the inventor, not the inventor who produces, markets and sells his own product, gets rich and retires. The reality is that we would invent a time machine and once we got it to work we'd forget about it and stick it in a closet someplace to collect dust while we invented a more efficient lawn mower.

    Additionally the ENTP would know and be in the top 90% of everything he ever attempted to do. This isn't my ego, this is a fact that I can back up. The ENTJ would know and be in the top 100% of one or maybe a few things.

    In the end, I think both would dominate in different ways not allowing for a clear cut winner. The demise of the ENTP would be the lack of follow through and for the ENTJ it would be how rigid they were. The ENTP would be at an advantage I think when it came to reading people and say fundraising, the ENTJ would be able to put that money to better use. I could go on and on for hours but I've already lost interest in this topic.

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    Stupid question. ENTJ is all-powerful.
    With a shared #1 place with the ISTP
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonardoLestat View Post
    Stupid question. ENTJ is all-powerful.
    With a shared #1 place with the ISTP
    Yea! You can do anything with mega Te. Going hyper J will make you invincible.
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    The bolded, yes, I think, this is getting dang close to what one could define as power. But, I don't think it's just mere influence.

    It's a combination of influence with getting things done.

    Or, to put it more simply: power is the ability (and to what degree) to bring about change.
    I agree with the above.

    But what I mean't by aggression, is they are aggressive in their pursuits. They have a natural drive to get things done. I'm not referring to hostility (although they can be very hostile).

    ENTJ's are passionate about accomplishments. It's what they live for. ENTJ's are happiest when they have a goal/challenge, the more challenging this goal is, the better. They must conquer! Something - anything. And if an ENTJ fails? No matter, they dust themselves off and come back harder, seemingly fueled by their failure. They are RELENTLESS, because they love the struggle. It's sport for them. And there is nothing more thrilling for an ENTJ than taking a risk - the possability of losing is exciting.

    ENTP's are very driven when they want to be, but ENTJ's are just DRIVEN.
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