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    Narcissitic personality disorder

    DSM criteria
    A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:[1]

    1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance
    2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
    3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique
    4. requires excessive admiration
    5. has a sense of entitlement
    6. is interpersonally exploitative
    7. lacks empathy
    8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
    9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

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    Quote Originally Posted by TucsonENTP View Post
    I'm very well aware of feelings both mine and others thus me liking how Apollanaut described her husband.
    Ahem. Despite my current Avatar I am very much a male! I'm gay, but not overtly so, though I like to think I'm in touch with my feminine side (hence the avatar, who represents my Anima). Sorry to confuse!

    Quote Originally Posted by TucsonENTP View Post
    As a side note, god I'm a hypochondriac! I saw "flu" in "influence" and decided I was sick for real!
    Oh, I've seen this many times in my ENTP. It's part-and-parcel of having inferior Si. You lot ignore your bodily signals for ages and ages, then suddenly get a headache and think it's a brain tumour, or develop a slight sniffle which must be the 'flu or worse. I know when it's happening to my SO 'cos he gets out a blood pressure cuff and starts obsessively measuring his blood pressure for the next hour or two!
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    I think for me, my Fe development was a reactionary process. Throughout highschool, and beginning of university, I was a veritable prick (with a capital P). Or like my friends use to refer to it: OCS - Only Child Syndrome. And, then, in university, living in a dorm, for the first time having a roommate, and then, student housing (living with my best friends)....eye opener. Living with others (not parents who put up with a lot of my bs cuz they were my parents)...but, friends, having to navigate diplomatically, helped me tap into my Fe which had laid mostly dormant until that point.

    Now, Fi, that is one that eludes me still. I am great at understanding other's motivations and feelings, but, when it comes to the realm of inter-personal, i.e., accounting for the I in a feeling exchange....is quite hard. I always seem to rationalize first.

    Like I'll get a feeling of sadness, and rather than embrace that, the feeling of frustration/anxiety at 'why am I sad' overshadows the sadness itself....and I get lost within the loop of answering the why, and moving further and further away from the 'sadness' itself.

    Or, if I can't still rationalize it away, I do the 'ostrich head in sand' technique...I ignore it because it's too convoluted to me, figuring out what I feel.

    And, then, if it culmunates, I blow up in anger. My friends say that I only exhibit 5 feelings: meh, happy, excited, frustrated or angry.

    The only way I tap into sadness, say, is if I watch a sad movie, or see a world event or see another's plith...i.e., channeled through Fe.

    Only in extremes can I tap honestly into my Fi.... like a serious sickness in the family, where death was a distinct possibility...and even then my sadness gets overshadowed by anger. That time I kept up a stoic front in front of others and once away, and alone, I locked myself in my room and bawled my eyes out, until anger at my sadness inevitably took over, and I had destroyed/turned upside down all there was in my room. And, then, comes nonchalance. It's quite a battle, and one of my most active challenge, developing (healthy) Fi.

    It's weird like being in a fog, sometimes. I KNOW what I'm supposed to feel/expected to feel in a given situation X, and it not coming frustrates me so that the frustration is more than the acceptance of the feeling. Like, I get frustrated not being able to show my Fi (when it's called for, like with the bf)...cuz I have a hazy feel of it, but, it's always on the periphery, and always just out of my grasp. Which creates a lot of tension because I'm charged with insensitivity (but, it's seriously not on purpose). I cheat sometimes, and actually get a script worked out of how I should feel/react in inter-personal matters through my F-friends. And, inevitably, some people catch on at the 'insincerity' of it all. Quite the issue.

    I would love to know how ENTPs have developed Fi, actually (more than Fe). Esp. for ENTPs who score highly on T (like me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollanaut View Post
    Oh, I've seen this many times in my ENTP. It's part-and-parcel of having inferior Si. You lot ignore your bodily signals for ages and ages, then suddenly get a headache and think it's a brain tumour, or develop a slight sniffle which must be the 'flu or worse. I know when it's happening to my SO 'cos he gets out a blood pressure cuff and starts obsessively measuring his blood pressure for the next hour or two!
    My doc hates me for this very reason, because I will come with print-outs of my possible ailments/diagnosis or challenge his if I don't agree. He always says, 'Stop googling yourself!'

    (although, often times, I ignore, or refuse to take meds/go to the doctors, until it becomes a necessary pain the butt, then, I go overboard, as above)

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    Quote Originally Posted by happy puppy View Post
    Narcissitic personality disorder

    DSM criteria
    A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:[1]

    1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance
    2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
    3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique
    4. requires excessive admiration
    5. has a sense of entitlement
    6. is interpersonally exploitative
    7. lacks empathy
    8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
    9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
    A bit exaggerated...but, what the hell, I'll play:
    1., 2., 3., 9. (4 outta 9 - missed by a hair's breadth, phew)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post

    Now, Fi, that is one that eludes me still. I am great at understanding other's motivations and feelings, but, when it comes to the realm of inter-personal, i.e., accounting for the I in a feeling exchange....is quite hard. I always seem to rationalize first.
    Have some intense, passionate sex with someone you are infatuated with. This is not hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    Anyway it's Typology Central now /smartass
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    Have some intense, passionate sex with someone you are infatuated with. This is not hard.
    Sex does not equal love, doesn't matter how many chandeliers you can make unhinge from the ceiling.....

    Infatuation? That's a strange term...as I've never been infatuated with a *person*...ever.

    Love, I feel. Deeply too. But, it's a generalized feeling, not momentary...it is a persistent comfort. I feel it for quite a few people in my life. Including the bf.

    With Fi, my issue is the acknowledgement of the nuances of feelings that a person can feel, within themselves, changing from moment to moment, that eludes me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Like I'll get a feeling of sadness, and rather than embrace that, the feeling of frustration/anxiety at 'why am I sad' overshadows the sadness itself....and I get lost within the loop of answering the why, and moving further and further away from the 'sadness' itself.

    The only way I tap into sadness, say, is if I watch a sad movie, or see a world event or see another's plith...i.e., channeled through Fe.

    Only in extremes can I tap honestly into my Fi.... like a serious sickness in the family, where death was a distinct possibility...and even then my sadness gets overshadowed by anger. That time I kept up a stoic front in front of others and once away, and alone, I locked myself in my room and bawled my eyes out, until anger at my sadness inevitably took over, and I had destroyed/turned upside down all there was in my room. And, then, comes nonchalance. It's quite a battle, and one of my most active challenge, developing (healthy) Fi.

    It's weird like being in a fog, sometimes. I KNOW what I'm supposed to feel/expected to feel in a given situation X, and it not coming frustrates me so that the frustration is more than the acceptance of the feeling. Like, I get frustrated not being able to show my Fi (when it's called for, like with the bf)...cuz I have a hazy feel of it, but, it's always on the periphery, and always just out of my grasp. Which creates a lot of tension because I'm charged with insensitivity (but, it's seriously not on purpose). I cheat sometimes, and actually get a script worked out of how I should feel/react in inter-personal matters through my F-friends. And, inevitably, some people catch on at the 'insincerity' of it all. Quite the issue.
    thats me.

    especially the part where confusion that ensues and i ask myself...'sooo....ummm...am i supposed to feel sad right now?' and then i end up coming across as the type thats got too much pride to show sadness in front of people (a real man's man YEA)....thank god for movies with proud male alpha that pulls through hard times and hold the feelings in or take up some introverted hobby like woodworking

    but yeah, that Fi i used to have? poof

    i did some test on some site (similarminds i think) a while back...it typed me as ENTP wanting to be ENFP...but my T and N and waaay to strong

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    well its the emotional bond and sex connection you feel that matters. Thats pretty much what fi means to me. As to reading other people's feelings , i think that is Fe, and everyone can fake this.
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

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