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    It kind of reminds me of the blank state of mind I'm in when I'm doing sports and I'm really into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    I guess Ni's always running in the background, but a particular thing I notice about these states is they are, by and large, without thought. Satisfactorily so. I don't draw conclusions, or make too many associations. I will sometimes be prompted to recall similar environmental sensations, but I guess being in the throes of Se will sometimes ring up a little Si too.

    That absence of thought is interesting. It's like the opposite of what should be going on. But for some reason, it usually feels wholly suitable. (Like meaningful recreation?) So long as it doesn't go on endlessly.
    Uytuun, that is exactly what I was thinking when I read the above from Kalach. I get in this 'thoughtless' zone when I'm practicing Martial Arts. Its a kind of... instinctual redirecting of energy I guess, and usually the only time that the 'voices in my head' (hehe) go silent.

    They say that your main function is the one you take for granted while the inferior functions are more 'respected' by the individual. This thread kind of makes that apparent methinks.
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    That thoughtless zone is where I get most of my artistic inspiration from. I always figured that was just how Ni worked best...put yourself in an exercise or repetitive task that is so mind-numbingly boring (sometimes it's just watching a bad tv show, that has no room for improvement) that your Ni kicks in to compensate for your mind being understimulated. Whenever I take my morning subway commute I find that the long walks tend to do this to me...I get into work with several really good ideas, simply from the act of purely walking with nothing better to do!

    Of course, I guess this would mean that I in fact have horrible Se as compared to you guys, now that I think about it. I rarely if ever just experience a moment for the sake of the moment itself...I like to connect it to other things in my head...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendo Barbarosa View Post
    That thoughtless zone is where I get most of my artistic inspiration from. I always figured that was just how Ni worked best...put yourself in an exercise or repetitive task that is so mind-numbingly boring (sometimes it's just watching a bad tv show, that has no room for improvement) that your Ni kicks in to compensate for your mind being understimulated. Whenever I take my morning subway commute I find that the long walks tend to do this to me...I get into work with several really good ideas, simply from the act of purely walking with nothing better to do!

    Of course, I guess this would mean that I in fact have horrible Se as compared to you guys, now that I think about it. I rarely if ever just experience a moment for the sake of the moment itself...I like to connect it to other things in my head...
    You know what, I'm pretty sure the Se's there almost all the time. It's probably especially there when an INTJ has a satisfying job.

    I'm moderately sure that this thoughtless thing is a kind of Se exercise that isn't wholly what the Se's supposed to be about. That thoughtless state I guess arises when Se is privileged and treated as a thing in itself. It is however supposed to be serving the other functions. Ni/Te's made a plan, Fi feels good about it, and then Se's supposed to start jiggling along showing you where the nails are being hammered in. It's the moment to live in as the steps of the world domination unfold.

    D'y'ever notice how planning is one thing, and a good thing too, but it's the moment you begin to take action that feels rightest? That's the true Se moment, I suspect. The world is engaged with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    The physical world... it's there! Who knew.
    yes, yes, yes! i get tired of seeing logical symbols and tired grey burnt out images in my brain. the world! how complex! how much to see, smell, taste, touch, hear, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    I guess Ni's always running in the background, but a particular thing I notice about these states is they are, by and large, without thought. Satisfactorily so. I don't draw conclusions, or make too many associations. I will sometimes be prompted to recall similar environmental sensations, but I guess being in the throes of Se will sometimes ring up a little Si too.

    That absence of thought is interesting. It's like the opposite of what should be going on. But for some reason, it usually feels wholly suitable. (Like meaningful recreation?) So long as it doesn't go on endlessly.
    thought holds us hostage. we fear letting go of its grasp. we are never free. it takes enormous energy and resources. our brains a cramping muscle. stretch, relax, take a break, this is going to be an enjoyable walk thru the old neighborhood. we come back refreshed, energized, inspired. rebooted. unstuck.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    You know what, I'm pretty sure the Se's there almost all the time. It's probably especially there when an INTJ has a satisfying job.

    I'm moderately sure that this thoughtless thing is a kind of Se exercise that isn't wholly what the Se's supposed to be about. That thoughtless state I guess arises when Se is privileged and treated as a thing in itself. It is however supposed to be serving the other functions. Ni/Te's made a plan, Fi feels good about it, and then Se's supposed to start jiggling along showing you where the nails are being hammered in. It's the moment to live in as the steps of the world domination unfold.
    i just feel like Ni dom hogs all the perceiving bandwidth. Se is a boon for us. we are present, grounded, in our bodies and sensitive all the way to our extremities. milk and blood flowing. we feel awake, alert, attentive to the world and our place within it. abstraction and meaning become far less important than our own ability to soak up and respond to what lies before us. it feels pure like eden. meditation seems like a similarly moving practice. but i'd much rather look at stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    I think it must be Se.

    Do you ever get fascinated by buildings? It'll happen sometimes walking home of an evening where I'll get into some kind of zone and be fascinated by seeing the lines and shapes of the buildings in the neighbourhood. It happens sometimes that I'll, basically, just look *up*. Literally, neck craned back, and look *up*, to watch the buildings from a new angle, seeing the new lines and shadows, and the highlights of lighting. It disappears if I stand still. It's seeing the shapes glide past as I keep on walking that does it for me. I have on occasion stood outside my building just looking up at it to see it back lit by the sky and faintly lit by street lighting.

    It's a little bit mystical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    If I may misinterpret your OP: isnt that called voyeurism ? ;D
    I like to do that. If it's consensual.


    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    It kind of reminds me of the blank state of mind I'm in when I'm doing sports and I'm really into it.
    Yes. Like meditation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    Howard Roark <3
    I keep seeing that emoticon. Had to look it up this time. I always thought it was cleavage.

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    what about highways? We have lots of huge overpasses/underpasses here in texas, and I can just sit and stare at all the lines as the cross and uncross. The symmetry is so beautiful.

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    I used to do that a lot in San Diego.

    Come to think of it, most of my Se moments probably occurred while being the passenger on a road trip, I'd bet. That is definitely when I just get obsessed in drinking in the scenery that's coming at me, and absorbing it, without trying to season it with any other thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Do you do this too, sometimes feel compelled to put yourself in a public place and... look at stuff?

    My workplace is very close to where I live, so if I do my normal introverted thing and just scoot on home after work, I find after a while I get cabin fever. It's become a sort of habit to more or less schedule time to not go home. I'll stop in a place that allows me to stand up in a relaxed fashion and just... look at stuff. People and environments.

    I'm aware of a sort of meter, too. If I don't sometimes do this stop-and-stare thing, it feels like something is lacking. And when I do do the stop-and-stare, then after a while the meter is on full and I can go home satisfied.

    Crowds of people are good. Built environments work too. Open spaces, like vistas down a long piece of road are soothing. Closed-in environments with walls and buildings blocking the sky are uncomfortable.

    Dunno what it is. Se practice, maybe? Topping up the Ni? Loitering with intent?

    People watching is one of my favorite games. Everyone else thinks its creepy and wrong when I spend my time enjoying the food court at the mall or the delicate angle ths one lady over there holds her neck, but quite enjoy it.

    Granted, the more I expose myself to the suburban "culture" developing in America, the more mad at society as a whole I get. So the limited times I've been in cities or parks or whatever, I wholy enjoy my time observing things- includng the people.

    I say there's nothing wrong with it, as long as you're not like breathing down someone's neck.
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