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    I was inspired by This thread, which seemed to imply that some NFs have a desire to control the hearts and feelings of others, often out of a desire to help said others.

    Thus, do NTs have any comparable desires to control what others think, or their approach to thinking? Personally, I have sometimes wished that certain people would adopt an approach to thinking closer to my own, with a greater use of logic and analysis of various options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varelse View Post
    I was inspired by This thread, which seemed to imply that some NFs have a desire to control the hearts and feelings of others, often out of a desire to help said others.

    Thus, do NTs have any comparable desires to control what others think, or their approach to thinking? Personally, I have sometimes wished that certain people would adopt an approach to thinking closer to my own, with a greater use of logic and analysis of various options.

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    sure. for instance, i wish i could control others who are trying to control my 'heart' and 'feelings' as well as thoughts. however, i'm completely almost over-aware that i can't, so if a person i wish would change is avoidable, then that's what i do.

    i can control others to a certain extent, everyone can, but i'm aware that it can't be done to any lasting degree. only a temporary one. to change a person more permanently, they have to want to change. people only change when they want to do so.

    to go about attempting to change someone, i would have to be motivated to do it in order to better MY world (and theirs, and it would have to be a last ditch effort), not THE world. i leave that up to those who have an undying need to try it.

    to me, it's not logical to think you can change the world by endlessly nagging and judging one person at a time, and unless someone is greatly disturbing their environment somehow, say by committing horrible crimes, then i think it's intrusive and selfish as hell. to each his own.

    that being said... here ya go.

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    I don't know that I want to control others, feelings or thoughts. I'd like to understand them better. I'd also like to be able to better explain to them how I feel / think.

    I used to think it was possible to change someone; I think it might be possible for me to control some people - my first marriage comes to mind :rolli: However, I learned from that relationship I don't respect people who let me 'control' them - I think maybe 'run roughshot' would be more appropriate than "control".

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    Quote Originally Posted by digesthisickness View Post
    Heh, but no thanks. It's certainly not a goal of mine, just something I sometimes wish I could do when someone frustrates me with their approach to thinking.

    Especially when someone is absolutely sure that they're right, and will not consider that I might have any reasons for my own opinion on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varelse View Post
    Heh, but no thanks. It's certainly not a goal of mine, just something I sometimes wish I could do when someone frustrates me with their approach to thinking.
    hey, i just find it interesting to read and thought you may also. not only that, but it's full of information about how it's done in general which works for personal preventive purposes.

    Especially when someone is absolutely sure that they're right, and will not consider that I might have any reasons for my own opinion on the subject.
    those are the ones i avoid, and if i can't avoid them, then i find other ways of 'controlling' them. use your imagination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digesthisickness View Post
    those are the ones i avoid, and if i can't avoid them, then i find other ways of 'controlling' them. use your imagination.
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    I think NTJ's are more oriented toward persuasion than NTP's. I use the term persuasion because "controlling the thoughts of others" sounds like unethical coercion or brainwashing. NTP's tend to think of their thoughts as a flexible, open truth which probably isn't ready for applying to their own life, much less someone else's life. I think NTP's do wish that others would at least fully understand their thoughts. The desire to have someone else adopt their thoughts only happens if it's a critical issue which impacts the NTP.

    Regarding persuasion and mind control, I think you should learn as much of it as possible. Knowledge is power, and it's the only way to defend yourself. Remember that non-Vulcans are the most vulnerable to the mindmeld.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by digesthisickness View Post
    She smiles, but you can bet she's filed it away for future reference.

    Never know when a tidbit like that could come in handy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon67 View Post
    She smiles, but you can bet she's filed it away for future reference.

    Never know when a tidbit like that could come in handy...
    actually, i smiled like that for two reasons. one, because i like the way he thinks (i've found that INTJs can be fantastic for morbid yet logical conversations - NOT saying other types can't be of course), and two, because i'd already thought about that.

    so again,

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