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    S Saiyan God Mace's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I don't score introversion below 80%.
    ... Don't mind me.

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    intjs care about information and knowledge growth, entjs care about power and authority growth.

    intps care about theorizng and understanding through thought, entps care about understanding through practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    We annoy you that much?
    Seeing a desire to socialize and have fun as a disadvantage, character flaw, or a weakness definitely annoys me, but it's not about the E/I difference.. I just clash with strong judging types overall. If an ENTJ viewed an INTJ's desire to hang with a few close friends as a character flaw rather than just a difference in personality (which I'm sure many do), I'd deride him just the same.

    My comment wasn't meant at you so much as it was the mentality advanced by Rangler's friend. That sort of narrow-minded judgment just grates me.


    Now that I think about it, since I'm talking about J rather than E/I, I'm actually completely off-subject

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    ENTJs are marginally more obnoxious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by untypable View Post
    intjs care about information and knowledge growth
    Don't all NTs? Or at least ENTJs place high value on knowledge and information.

    Quote Originally Posted by ed111 View Post
    ENTJs are marginally more obnoxious.
    INTJs are marginally more antisocial.

    Works both ways.

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    I still argue that based on their hierarchy of functions (INTJ=NTFS and ENTJ=TNSF), you will find those who know their dominant function will have more in common with their perceiving cousins and may appear more like them (INTJ=ENTP and INTP=ENTJ). Thus I see INTJs and ENTPs having a commonality of needing movement whereas INTPs and ENTJs having a need for control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    I still argue that based on their hierarchy of functions (INTJ=NTFS and ENTJ=TNSF), you will find those who know their dominant function will have more in common with their perceiving cousins and may appear more like them (INTJ=ENTP and INTP=ENTJ). Thus I see INTJs and ENTPs having a commonality of needing movement whereas INTPs and ENTJs having a need for control.
    Negative: INTPs can barely control their bodily functions. INTJs are obsessed by controlling stuff and I suspect that so are ENTJs.

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    1. I would not use how social they as necessarily the best indicator. Ive found that only the ENFJs really stand out in that regard. ENXX is still really only going to fully be able communicate with 10-25% of the population. Their extrovertedness is likely to be around ideas.

    2. I think both can be as equally "independent" or "controling" depending on the Enneagram and what the situation is.

    3. The real distinguishing factors:

    -ENTJ is more likely to enjoy regurgitating random factoids (Te)
    -ENTJ is more likely to be involved in the sensing world (Se)
    -ENTJ is more likely to go from extremes of: hyper rational to loner downer (ISFP shadow)

    INTJ is probably more even keeled in their extremes of: hyper rational to wallowing introvert
    INTJ is more likely to have issues with the sensing world (athletics, motor skills, driving)
    INTJ is less likely to enjoy "knowing everything" than the ENTJ.

    4. My sister is INTJ and I am ENTJ. main differences:
    -I have 100x as much energy as she does
    -I am 100x a better, faster and more aggressive driver
    -I enjoy debate and regurgitating factiods 100x more than her
    -I enjoy much harsher, louder and more intense music
    -I have wider extremes

    otherwise we are somewhat similar.

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    Basing this exclusively on comparing myself with INTJs I know, I'd totally agree with Babylon Candle.

    I like this topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed111 View Post
    Negative: INTPs can barely control their bodily functions. INTJs are obsessed by controlling stuff and I suspect that so are ENTJs.
    That's a fallacy based on people's misinterpretation of the J dichotomy which reflects an introverts auxiliary, which means it's not even the introverts dominant function. IJs are dominated by a perceiving function, IPs by a judging function. If you argue the point that a judging function will be more controlling than a perceiving function then INTPs are dominated by one, not INTJs.

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