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    I'm a star. Kangirl's Avatar
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    "White middle-class girls at the elite colleges and universities seem to want the world handed to them on a platter. They have been sheltered, coddled, and flattered. Having taught at a wide variety of institutions over my ill-starred career, I have observed that working-class or lower-middle-class girls, who are from financially struggling families and who must take a patchwork of menial off-campus jobs to stay in school, are usually the least hospitable to feminist rhetoric. They see life as it is and have fewer illusions about sex. It is affluent, upper-middle class students who most spout the party line - as if the grisly hyperemotionalism of feminist jargon satisfies their hunger for meaningful experience outside their eventless upbringing. In the absence of war, invent one."
    --Camille Paglia
    I love this quote and am definitely in the Camille Paglia mold of 'feminists'. I highly recommend her intro chapter in Sexual Personae if anyone is interested - it's a good summation of her take on things. And, to my mind, *highly* accurate.

    The thing about feminism is that it's a part of leftism, sometimes far leftism. So on top of the negative connotations, there is the heavy association with left politics so any NT women who is a moderate or right-of-center might see a conflict before them, even if they agree with most feminist goals and achievements.
    Great point and, for me, quite true.

    When did feminism become such a dirty dirty word?
    When a certain (formerly - yay!) powerful section of 'feminists' decided that any woman who didn't agree with their rigid ideology was stupid and/or brainwashed by men and/or self-hating. Way to totally invalidate the whole "women should get to make THEIR OWN choices' agenda!

    The first group meeting I attended was built around the notion that men hate women. There was debate, but the group leaders were all of the belief that men, in general, hate women, and that women are too unaware of this. My problems began in that very first meeting when I rejected the idea that men hate women.
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    No. Fuck that. I'm pretty manly, which i think is common with many nt women (not suggesting we're butch or anything), and things like that don't affect me. They actually tend to piss me off; whenever i see some self righteous feminist i want to bash my own gender. Sometimes i do, just for the hell of it. I tend to not understand my own gender, and get along with males better. They make more sense to me. I find many women are very passive-aggresive, and it's a trait that makes me want to shake the person by the shoulders. Violently.

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    The feminist label covers such as wide spectrum of ideology that it is beginning to lose meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    I love this quote and am definitely in the Camille Paglia mold of 'feminists'. I highly recommend her intro chapter in Sexual Personae if anyone is interested - it's a good summation of her take on things. And, to my mind, *highly* accurate.
    Might be wishful thinking on my part, but I think Paglia is most probably ENTP. She loves blurring the line between polemic and straight rhetoric. It's pretty interesting.

    Plus she and I have the same BIRTHDAY! Now that's significant.
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    Only if there's a misogynist present. When there's a feminist present I turn misogynistic.

    I love winding people up.
    Um, yeah.

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    I'm reading this thread and taking names.

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    I'm reading this thread and taking names.
    What for? The roster for your topless mud wrasslin' extravaganza? I'm in!
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    Feminism is a myth..like Global Warming!


    ..only kidding I support male/female equality 100%.
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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    Yes.

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    Equal rights for women. Yes, of course.

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