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    So, there's this guy who lives in the same town as me in Japan. Since he's one of only a few native-English speakers in the town, we sometimes hang out. There are about five other towns in my area, and I know most of the young foreigners there, too. Anyway, almost everyone in the area HATES this guy's guts. A few of us try to get along with him (since we know how lonely it can be when you're along in a foreign country), but everyone else wants to rip the guy's throat out. I know, because that was my initial reaction to him.

    Anyway, I was trying to type the guy, but I can't decide on what he is, although I think he's an NT, perhaps ENTP. Here are some of his traits:
    opinionated, uses dramatic big words, insensitive to others' feelings, extremely knowledgeable about a wide variety of subjects, likes to explore/get lost, incredibly talkative (his nick-name is Mr. Loquacious), brags a lot, esoteric, confident, snide to anyone with opposite views, and argumentative.

    He seems to have a huge thirst for knowledge, and he seems pretty comfortable being thrown into new situations. He knows more about the area than people who have lived here 4 years, but he's only been here a few months. Therefore, I think T and P. Still, he's also really opinionated and stubborn.

    Then, he loves to hear himself talk, which is one of the reasons people seems to hate him. In big groups he dominates the discussion, usually with something nitpicky and self-promoting. In small groups, it's easier to step in to the conversation and interrupt him. E or I?

    The guy really lacks tack and is always accidentally insulting people. Is this an S function more than an N one? I just can't see this guy being an SP or even an SJ.

    I had a small argument with the guy over semantics recently. We were arguing about whether there is a catch-all term for protective suits like bunny suits and hazmat suits. My argument was that I didn't care to distinguish between them in my day to day life (I'm an English teacher, for Pete's sake!) His response was that he always tries to be as specific and correct in speech as possible, no matter how offensive someone else may take it. Very NTP, I think. I said that I'd rather generalize and move on to something else. Very INTJ. I like overview, he likes details.

    Anyway, I mostly get along with the guy (because I only see him very sparingly). When lacking a conversation piece, I ask him for information about something obscure. I'm morbidly curious to hear some of his strange opinions and ideas.

    Tell me what you think. Have you ever met an ENTP gone wrong? Did I type him wrong?

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    The S N thing is usually quite obvious - is he a conceptual person, or do you need to explain the details. The detail thing may be S but he does sound N typed

    I would wonder on if he is a J type - they do all the above stuff too. ENTPs usually keep most people on board I think... although non ENTPs might dissagree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwill View Post
    So, there's this guy who lives in the same town as me in Japan. Since he's one of only a few native-English speakers in the town, we sometimes hang out. There are about five other towns in my area, and I know most of the young foreigners there, too. Anyway, almost everyone in the area HATES this guy's guts. A few of us try to get along with him (since we know how lonely it can be when you're along in a foreign country), but everyone else wants to rip the guy's throat out. I know, because that was my initial reaction to him.

    Anyway, I was trying to type the guy, but I can't decide on what he is, although I think he's an NT, perhaps ENTP. Here are some of his traits:
    opinionated, uses dramatic big words, insensitive to others' feelings, extremely knowledgeable about a wide variety of subjects, likes to explore/get lost, incredibly talkative (his nick-name is Mr. Loquacious), brags a lot, esoteric, confident, snide to anyone with opposite views, and argumentative.

    He seems to have a huge thirst for knowledge, and he seems pretty comfortable being thrown into new situations. He knows more about the area than people who have lived here 4 years, but he's only been here a few months. Therefore, I think T and P. Still, he's also really opinionated and stubborn.

    Then, he loves to hear himself talk, which is one of the reasons people seems to hate him. In big groups he dominates the discussion, usually with something nitpicky and self-promoting. In small groups, it's easier to step in to the conversation and interrupt him. E or I?

    The guy really lacks tack and is always accidentally insulting people. Is this an S function more than an N one? I just can't see this guy being an SP or even an SJ.

    I had a small argument with the guy over semantics recently. We were arguing about whether there is a catch-all term for protective suits like bunny suits and hazmat suits. My argument was that I didn't care to distinguish between them in my day to day life (I'm an English teacher, for Pete's sake!) His response was that he always tries to be as specific and correct in speech as possible, no matter how offensive someone else may take it. Very NTP, I think. I said that I'd rather generalize and move on to something else. Very INTJ. I like overview, he likes details.

    Anyway, I mostly get along with the guy (because I only see him very sparingly). When lacking a conversation piece, I ask him for information about something obscure. I'm morbidly curious to hear some of his strange opinions and ideas.

    Tell me what you think. Have you ever met an ENTP gone wrong? Did I type him wrong?
    Sounds like an unhappy ENTP to me...Do you know the content of his day-to-day job? If he doesn't have an outlet to express his inventing, he may be really, really frustrated and this may be why the discomfort.
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    There's definitely an ENTP-pariah correlation. And we even have an example of one right on this forum: Eck.

    Though I think it's more common with ESTPs. And on a semi-related note, I guarantee the most common type in jail is ESTP.

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    I think I work with this guy... I'd say an insecure entp. My favorite pastime w mine is to treat him like he is stupid, call him arrogant and insecure, and and an idiot savant. I also sometimes talk slowly to him like he is in preschool.

    Id also argue more esfp and istps end up in jail then estps. estps are competent criminals.

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    He's just an ENTP trying hard to be liked. Since we like people who are deemed intelligent, he assumes everyone does, and therefore is always broadcasting his intelligence to everyone. Tell him to tone it down and he most likely will.

    If someone harbors resentments toward me, of which I am oblivious, I find it to be the ultimate betrayal. Like you are the judge, jury and executioner before I have even had a fair trial. Trust me, if he's ENTP, he will most likely not have been aware of how he's acting and will make every effort to correct his behavior - if you can prove that you are not just being overly sensitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    He's just an ENTP trying hard to be liked. Since we like people who are deemed intelligent, he assumes everyone does, and therefore is always broadcasting his intelligence to everyone. Tell him to tone it down and he most likely will.

    If someone harbors resentments toward me, of which I am oblivious, I find it to be the ultimate betrayal. Like you are the judge, jury and executioner before I have even had a fair trial. Trust me, if he's ENTP, he will most likely not have been aware of how he's acting and will make every effort to correct his behavior - if you can prove that you are not just being overly sensitive.
    Being that my interactions with ENTPs usually involve them being dicks at some point, how do I tell if they're being a dick intentionally (i.e. they want me to go away) versus they're being a dick inadvertently (i.e. they are social/emotional n00bs.)?

    Thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by happy puppy View Post
    Id also argue more esfp and istps end up in jail then estps. estps are competent criminals.
    Since ESFPs tend to be women, and they get locked up at much lesser rates, I'd say no. And I think introverted types are too busy being 25% of the population to go to jail more than ESTPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    There's definitely an ENTP-pariah correlation. And we even have an example of one right on this forum: Eck.

    Though I think it's more common with ESTPs. And on a semi-related note, I guarantee the most common type in jail is ESTP.
    What ?

    I'm not sure this even deserves an elaborated comment. But it's always cute to see you guys trying so hard to say cool and witty things, reminds me of my nephews growing up, only like, without all the potential and the sunny smiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    Being that my interactions with ENTPs usually involve them being dicks at some point, how do I tell if they're being a dick intentionally (i.e. they want me to go away) versus they're being a dick inadvertently (i.e. they are social/emotional n00bs.)?

    Thanks in advance!
    I can only speak for myself, but I prefer the most direct route - just ask me (without getting emotional). Most times, if someone says lightheartedly "Ouch, you just verbally bitchslapped me - what did you mean by that?" I will turn beet red and explain that I truly meant no harm, my mind was just too preoccupied to think of niceties to say. Then I retreat to lick my wounds and obsess for days about how I can communicate better with this person so they don't get hurt. Or I will tell you that it probably wasn't the best way to respond, but I didn't think you'd get the point unless I was that harsh. Either way, you will always know where you stand with me if you ask.

    And you have to remember that what you may call being a dick may have nothing to do you with you or his lack of social skills, it could just be a different communication style. I prefer direct, honest, blunt answers to my questions, others prefer making doilies out of their words. So in many cases, I think the other party is being a dick for deliberately being obtuse and not answering the question. Especially when they see that I am pressed for time.

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