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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind-up Rex View Post
    I definitely agree that I missed the mark for various reasons, but we'll get to that in a second.

    I wonder two things, and feel free to shoot them down or ignore them if theyre too personal. First, have you been involved with many women in the past? Second, reading some of your earlier posts you mentioned that you feel you'd be ideally suited to an ExTJ woman. Why do you believe this and what are your aspirations for a relationship with this type of woman?


    The reason why I have started this thread in the first place is because my love life can be described by pure 0. Since I have 0 crushes/relationships behind me. Even stuff like kisses and touches are at 0 in my case.
    So everything I say take with a reserve, There is nothing really wrong with me, it is just that I didn't pay any attention to this sphere of life.



    The main reason why I said that I could get along with ExTJ women is because society over here is chaotic. So there would a natural attraction between us. At least on a friendship level.
    The entire thing comes down to the fact that you have unspontaneous and calculated partner. Which means that you can be yourself in most cases without choking your partner.
    But I don't consider myself to be ideal for ExTJ women. Especially if ESTJ has a developed S.


    I did some analysing and I have concluded that best match for me are ENs. As I already said in the thread. But ENFs will need to have a balanced F if this is going to work.


    The reason why I say ENs is because I need an extrovert. Since extroverts needs energy from the outside for the most part. While I am very introverted and socially inert, but because od very well developed NTJ part I don't have social phobias that are typical for strong introverts. Neither I feel really drained by other people. I am simply not interested in them for the most part.
    So an extrovert will be good since it will pull me out more then I would do so naturally. Plus shaing a N will be really good for the communication.


    So as you can see ENTJ has the qualities of both groups. Plus one test that was going around said that I should try to date ENTJs. What to some degree makes sense to me. But I presume that it would be easier for me to get along with an ENTP.



    I am talking purely from theoretical perspective since I understand that we are all just individuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    But I presume that it would be easier for me to get along with an ENTP.
    Yeah, everybody loves us, and can you blame them?

    Of course I'm joking, but you may not be too far off in your assessment. If you speak any bit like how you write, you may drive an ENTJ up the wall with your non expressiveness, but you will always be a source of endless wonder, curiosity and fascination to people of the ENTP persuasion. (Of course, this is all just theory - find someone you like, who likes you back. Worry about type later...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Yeah, everybody loves us, and can you blame them?

    Of course I'm joking, but you may not be too far off in your assessment. If you speak any bit like how you write, you may drive an ENTJ up the wall with your non expressiveness, but you will always be a source of endless wonder, curiosity and fascination to people of the ENTP persuasion. (Of course, this is all just theory - find someone you like, who likes you back. Worry about type later...)
    To be honest I am not sure why I would drive ENTJ up to the wall.
    But to me it looks like that it will be much easier to create a balance of strenghts with an ENTP. Especially since P/J differences could actually be entertaining. I don't know why but that is how it looks to me.


    If you don't mind can you explain your problem with Te in short ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    To be honest I am not sure why I would drive ENTJ up to the wall.
    But to me it looks like that it will be much easier to create a balance of strenghts with an ENTP. Especially since P/J differences could actually be entertaining. I don't know why but that is how it looks to me.


    If you don't mind can you explain your problem with Te in short ?
    I understand and agree with your conclusion. I recently decided that I ridiculously love INTPs with a passion, but am probably better suited with an INTJ. I can see how this pairing would make sense.

    I don't like Te because I find it bossy, controlling and authoritarian. While working, I am in super Te overload mode. I have to be in complete control of my staff and my businesses because they are mine and no one will ever put as much effort in as me. And people waste my time and resources, so I am always scanning my environment and cutting the fat, so to speak. I fired 3 people in the past 2 weeks.

    Outside of work, I don't see the need for efficiency, unless there is a logical need for it. And there rarely ever is. When I am at home, all I want to do is what I want to do. I want to go where the wind takes me, I don't want to think about groceries, cleaning, organizing. I seriously don't. I hire a crazy amount of people to take care of my personal stuff because I simply can't be bothered. I have people who shop for my clothes, and people who shop for my groceries. I have people clean for me, I have people to remind me of my social appointments and make sure my bills are paid. But at work, I overlook nothing - and that drains me because that is not my natural state.

    And I abhor when Te people try to control me and organize me. It will never happen. I would sooner die than give up my freedom. I wouldn't last one day in prison, I know this for certain. But I think the INTJ way of Te is more palatable in my personal life than the ExTJ way. And truth be told, I could use a bit more discipline in my personal life - just not to the levels of ExTJ controlling though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I understand and agree with your conclusion. I recently decided that I ridiculously love INTPs with a passion, but am probably better suited with an INTJ. I can see how this pairing would make sense.

    I don't like Te because I find it bossy, controlling and authoritarian. While working, I am in super Te overload mode. I have to be in complete control of my staff and my businesses because they are mine and no one will ever put as much effort in as me. And people waste my time and resources, so I am always scanning my environment and cutting the fat, so to speak. I fired 3 people in the past 2 weeks.

    Outside of work, I don't see the need for efficiency, unless there is a logical need for it. And there rarely ever is. When I am at home, all I want to do is what I want to do. I want to go where the wind takes me, I don't want to think about groceries, cleaning, organizing. I seriously don't. I hire a crazy amount of people to take care of my personal stuff because I simply can't be bothered. I have people who shop for my clothes, and people who shop for my groceries. I have people clean for me, I have people to remind me of my social appointments and make sure my bills are paid. But at work, I overlook nothing - and that drains me because that is not my natural state.

    And I abhor when Te people try to control me and organize me. It will never happen. I would sooner die than give up my freedom. I wouldn't last one day in prison, I know this for certain. But I think the INTJ way of Te is more palatable in my personal life than the ExTJ way. And truth be told, I could use a bit more discipline in my personal life - just not to the levels of ExTJ controlling though.

    I was thinking you will say that. You don't like it mostly because you have to use it when you don't want to.

    But to be honest I think your are making one mistake here. Which is that you link Te with groceries and being bossy. What for the most part is true. But the trick is that Te is just a process that takes a shape of things with which you are feeding it.


    I have a very developed Te but I am not obssesed with groceries and similar details like that at all. But I find it useful in my life. For exmple if you doing something in a lab you will need Te since many things you need to do are complicated. But by doing them you entertain yourself in a way because you are exploring and researching. Since no one ever came to the information you did.



    I plan to be geologist one day. However in this job Te can be very important.
    If nothing you have smaller chances to get killed.
    But here Te does not work/operate with people and everyday details.


    Be honest with me, would you like to walk around not too high and not too dangerous mountain in a search for a path that will be the best for a future road and you have to mark all potentional major obstacle. Like marking certain rocks that need to be blown up with explosives in order to remove them as an obsticle.

    Actually it does not matter if you would this or not. The point I am trying to show is that Te can be much more creative and playful function then people think it can be.

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    I think Te can be playful but I don't know how to make it playful, which is why I admire the INTJ way. Your explanation alone made me feel lighter about it. It's good that you understood what I meant.

    I don't like having to use it, and I don't like when people use it on me. To be told how to do things is not fun for me.

    But you are absolutely correct that it is important. I would never have gotten so far in life if I didn't cultivate my Te. I still sometimes slip up, but for the most part, I am an organizational wizard. It's hard for me to make sure things remain organized, though.

    When I used to work in clinical research, I found a very good balance between Ti exploration and analysis, along with Te research and testing methods. And I actually loved it. I just don't love using it when I don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I think Te can be playful but I don't know how to make it playful, which is why I admire the INTJ way. Your explanation alone made me feel lighter about it. It's good that you understood what I meant.

    I don't like having to use it, and I don't like when people use it on me. To be told how to do things is not fun for me.

    But you are absolutely correct that it is important. I would never have gotten so far in life if I didn't cultivate my Te. I still sometimes slip up, but for the most part, I am an organizational wizard. It's hard for me to make sure things remain organized, though.

    When I used to work in clinical research, I found a very good balance between Ti exploration and analysis, along with Te research and testing methods. And I actually loved it. I just don't love using it when I don't have to.


    Once again I can't say I am suprised. The thing is that I can consider things you consider negative about Te as playful. The main reason why I like games that need planning is because I can simply let my NTJ side from the leash without hurting anyone or making a fatal mistake.


    Since I live in disorganized society no one ever trully forced me to use Te.
    For my whole life I for the most part don't exactly know what is going to happen just a few day in advance or I have scenarios with multiple possible outcomes. Since no one makes real plans or they are simply changing them all the time. Which means that my Te is not that much useful. (at least not before you become fully independent person by ending your education)
    But since I can't use it fully I use it for entertainment in order to use it. Which is my natural need.

    Here is the newest example: The most powerful function in my country is prime minister. But a few days ago the prime minister that was on the function for 6 years and he had a fairly good popularity has just called a press conference and said " I quit !". He didn't even give an explanation why he did what he did.

    I mean, what would happen in the case that Obama does something like this? Over here no one will get excited about this at all in a less then two weeks.



    So in order to adapt I have develop Ti and Ne so that I can compensate for my defect. Which is that I am not really compatibile with logic of my environment.
    That is how I ended with combination Ni,Te,Ti,Ne in the first place. (I presume)

    If you take a closer look you will see that my life philosophy is clearly J but I have learned to look at things from P perspective as well in order to succeed.
    The only problem is that I don't have much space left for things like feelings.
    There were situations when my parents become so annoyed with me that they had the need to say "Stop analysing, DAMMIT ! " directly into my face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Once again I can't say I am suprised. The thing is that I can consider things you consider negative about Te as playful. The main reason why I like games that need planning is because I can simply let my NTJ side from the leash without hurting anyone or making a fatal mistake.
    I always got "you are so damn inquisitive!" or "don't challenge me, child!" hahaha... whatever.

    You are the exact opposite of me. Learning your P to adapt, while I learned J.

    My first response to your question was tongue in cheek, but honestly, the answer is now yes - I would date you because I am curious about you and you amuse me, and you seem to understand me. But only if you were older, lived closer and we were attracted to each other physically. And only if you liked to laugh, which I am still not sure of. Typical P, can't commit to a simple answer, hahaha...


    EDIT: oh, you said you use Te for fun. I use Ti for fun. I've been in school my whole life for no reason other than I love to study. I study useless topics that interest me, racking up pointless degrees left and right. It's fun for me. And the people in my life are thankful that I have something to distract me from endlessly questioning them to death. I am a bottomless pit of curiosity (thanks to Ne, I think) and I want to understand everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    EDIT: oh, you said you use Te for fun. I use Ti for fun. I've been in school my whole life for no reason other than I love to study. I study useless topics that interest me, racking up pointless degrees left and right. It's fun for me. And the people in my life are thankful that I have something to distract me from endlessly questioning them to death. I am a bottomless pit of curiosity (thanks to Ne, I think) and I want to understand everything.
    INTP is definatly a good match for you. You would never bore one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I always got "you are so damn inquisitive!" or "don't challenge me, child!" hahaha... whatever.

    You are the exact opposite of me. Learning your P to adapt, while I learned J.

    My first response to your question was tongue in cheek, but honestly, the answer is now yes - I would date you because I am curious about you and you amuse me, and you seem to understand me. But only if you were older, lived closer and we were attracted to each other physically. And only if you liked to laugh, which I am still not sure of. Typical P, can't commit to a simple answer, hahaha...
    Well if you have a strong preference you will always need to do something to compensate. (if you want efficiency of course)

    But none the less I am still quite Jish person and I always will be. Don't be decived.

    I don't mind laughing from time to time but this is not something that comes easily to me. But making me laugh is not mission impossible.

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