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    Any NTs here in the activism field?

    I'm curious because activism has been stereotypically linked to Feelers (or at least that's the general vibe I seem to get). Do you think NTs approach activism in a different way than Feelers?

    As for me, I'm a hardcore INTP (even though I have INFP-ish tendencies/moments).

    This is how I personally approach activism:

    1. I'm not into sentimentality. To me, heartwarming or shocking rhetoric only goes so far. I throw myself in writing and academic initiatives in order to educate the public.

    2. I'm a quarter gut instinct/emotions and three quarter hard nosed theory. There are always strong emotions that underlie my actions, but not without a sense of logical restrain and a very calculated, very logical way of doing things. I read up a lot on feminism, socialism, etc. I have to know everything and deconstruct every angle. As a consequence, it takes me a long time to come to a conclusion on an issue. On the plus side, when I believe in a cause, I am thoroughly convinced because I have analyzed almost every side.

    3. I am solitary and independent in my work. I do connect with organizations but my tasks are always ones that entail me doing it alone (such as writing). I connect with other activists only when I need to, and mostly by e-mail.

    Basically, as an NT, I approach activism clinically, just like everything else in my life.

    My INTJ best friend is like me too, and another INTJ I know is also passionate about social issues --- so the notion that Thinkers are rarely activists is an unfounded one, eh?

    (As I type this I am reminded of a series of correspondence by Einstein throughout his life, which touched on the politics and social issues around him. I could detect in those letters the same huge amount of passion which he had for academia)

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    I would say you're just as likely to find NTs as NFs in the activism field. Indeed, I've been working my entire post-college life (ok so that's only 4 years) in social justice. For me the primary difference in impulse between the two archetypes are of driving intent:

    An NT hears about a social injustice and thinks "well that's really dumb". An NF hears about the same injustice and thinks "that's really wrong". Neither one is more or less motivating/more or less worthy, as they both hit a core driver for each type. My first impulse, however, is less attached to direct service and more towards systemic problems. I tend to need little or no contact with those theoretically being helped by my actions, whereas I vitally need to see that programs are being put into place that will minimize/eliminate the injustice I'm reacting against.

    Does that make any sense at all?
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    NF activism - PETA, Red Cross, Peace Corps, environment conservation
    NT activism - Net Neutrality, Political Think Tanks (mostly left-wing), free speech

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    NF activism - PETA, Red Cross, Peace Corps, environment conservation
    NT activism - Net Neutrality, Political Think Tanks (mostly left-wing), free speech
    Heh. How true for me.

    Also add: education stuffs, such as OLPC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    NF activism - PETA, Red Cross, Peace Corps, environment conservation
    NT activism - Net Neutrality, Political Think Tanks (mostly left-wing), free speech
    I dunno how much I buy that list. I really feel like NTs could sign on to any "cause" organization if persuaded by its sensibility. PETA is probably a stretch, but would the work of the local SCPA? I actually know several NTs who are current Peace Corps members. The Red Cross? Serves a vital function in immediate disaster relief (I was in fact frustrated by not being called up after Katrina). Environmental conservation is clearly something I could be persuaded to do.

    It's about whether or not the org's objectives make sense. A non-profit dedicated to preserving the environment because "trees are pretty" isn't likely to get my attention, but one that has a multi-point approach to preserving a viable ecosystem is. If it sometimes condemns a species of panda to extinction, I would feel sad but move on were I persuaded if its viability.
    "The subject chooses to sit in shadow and search for wisdom by reflecting upon his trial. The problem is not that he is cold and wet, but that cold and wet seems problematic, so he embraces those hardships in order to best them."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priam View Post
    I dunno how much I buy that list. I really feel like NTs could sign on to any "cause" organization if persuaded by its sensibility. PETA is probably a stretch, but would the work of the local SCPA? I actually know several NTs who are current Peace Corps members. The Red Cross? Serves a vital function in immediate disaster relief (I was in fact frustrated by not being called up after Katrina). Environmental conservation is clearly something I could be persuaded to do.

    It's about whether or not the org's objectives make sense. A non-profit dedicated to preserving the environment because "trees are pretty" isn't likely to get my attention, but one that has a multi-point approach to preserving a viable ecosystem is. If it sometimes condemns a species of panda to extinction, I would feel sad but move on were I persuaded if its viability.
    Sure. You'll find NTs in all of those causes, probably environmental conservation most commonly. I was just talking about tendencies. For every NT strapping themselves to a tree, you'll find 10 NFs who have been chained to the tree for days.

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    I dont know activism, but I know expressionism. I dont know if they are the same.

    I like expressionism when it comes to art, but to live it is not always easy like art. The idea though is adoreable and would be never fought by me. I would be nevertheless have a problem to see a person becoming insane.
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    LOL, activism....

    The only NTs that would bother would be the ones that don't understand economics. Note: things ONLY change due to economics, NOTHING else. Handing out a crafty, colorful pamphlet on campus or at work isn't doing a damned thing.

    People who stand on a sidewalk handing out wads of Papyrus aren't changing the world. Sorry, you're not, and there's a reason only feelers do that bullshit: self-sustaining feel good measures. I hope you're a worthy enough NT to see that.... I would offer direct, pragmatic suggestions to you and your cause, but they are examples of eco-terrorism and are considered felonies. Even in that case, you are pitting your own self against an endless horde of people who want jobs that will counter your every effort. More pointlessness.

    You want to change things? Invent, write, research.... that's how true NTs are Activist

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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    LOL, activism....

    The only NTs that would bother would be the ones that don't understand economics. Note: things ONLY change due to economics, NOTHING else. Handing out a crafty, colorful pamphlet on campus or at work isn't doing a damned thing.
    People do me a favour and dont talk for the NTs. Everyone can talk for their own
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    I'm not talking for them or anyone except myself, I'm talking DOWN to them because they are activist retards. There's a difference :p Good NTs know that market forces trump everything

    It's like voting... I can't believe there's NTs out there that vote. What the hell is wrong with you?

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