[Ni] Ni???

[sculpting]

I understand Ne pretty well, though I could see it might be odd if you were not an Ne. Endless possibilities everywhere, what's next, never stop exploring the boundaries and so on.

I am a little lost about what it means to be Ni. I see it leading to a profound sense of stuboorness and strength. it can be difficult to get close to and very hard to get them to change thier minds once they have decided upon the "correct answer".

other things?

 

[nightning]

Ni focuses on interconnection. Where Ne has endless possibilities, Ni see how all the different possibilities can be linked together into a whole. It gives a sense of unity... how everything all fits together.

 

[Kalach]

You could ask the SPs too. Stubborn buggers, them. Or the NFJs. Real hard heads.

Or maybe there's a different stubborn, huh? Maybe someone has been sittin' in a tree,

K I S S I N J.


Hm?

 

[Costrin]

Whenever I try to understand Ni, I just get confused. All these seemingly contradictory definitions. Really vague and obfuscating definitions, references to mysticism. Whenever I find something that I can understand, something else comes along and says its wrong. It seems like I would need to use Ni to understand Ni, even then, it seems doubtful.

I've just given up on it.

 

[tibby]

I don't if this will help you (hope it will) :

How to tell the forest from the trees?


Extraverted iNtuiting - Thinks of the fractal patterns, the wide range of possibilities in the forest, how this forest is part of the ecosystem and is affected by pollution from the city...

Introverted iNtuiting - Recognizes that the forest is deeply symbolic of all of life in its interconnectedness and constant recycling and growth and foresees that this forest will soon be torn down for a housing development...

 

[Costrin]

Hypothesis:

Ne - Metaphor second. When I want to describe something, I think of a metaphor that applies.

Ni - Metaphor first. You see something and come up with a metaphor, then think of a way to apply it.

 

[EcK]

I don't if this will help you (hope it will) :

How to tell the forest from the trees?


Extraverted iNtuiting - Thinks of the fractal patterns, the wide range of possibilities in the forest, how this forest is part of the ecosystem and is affected by pollution from the city...

Introverted iNtuiting - Recognizes that the forest is deeply symbolic of all of life in its interconnectedness and constant recycling and growth and foresees that this forest will soon be torn down for a housing development...

You mean Ni are sissies ?

I agree

 

[nightning]

Hypothesis:

Ne - Metaphor second. When I want to describe something, I think of a metaphor that applies.

Ni - Metaphor first. You see something and come up with a metaphor, then think of a way to apply it.

Expanding on that...

Ne: Metaphor to describe

Ni: Metaphor to understand

It seems like Ni has a natural tendency to turn things into symbolic representations. In some ways, to understand something, Ni goes... this is like XXX. Then it starts linking various components of the thing to different parts of XXX. Once it has a workable metaphor, then Ni manipulates the mental object in order to make conjectures about the real object.

Ni rather introspect about the representation of the object rather than to poke at the physical object (like Se) in order to understand it.

 

[Costrin]

Expanding on that...

Ne: Metaphor to describe

Ni: Metaphor to understand

It seems like Ni has a natural tendency to turn things into symbolic representations. In some ways, to understand something, Ni goes... this is like XXX. Then it starts linking various components of the thing to different parts of XXX. Once it has a workable metaphor, then Ni manipulates the mental object in order to make conjectures about the real object.

Ni rather introspect about the representation of the object rather than to poke at the physical object (like Se) in order to understand it.

That makes sense. Ne leaves the understanding to Ji, and Ni leaves the doing to Je.

 

[EcK]

So what happens if u don't have Ji ?
'cause I thought Ti was alright with the understanding part.

/sarcastic tone off

T\F J\P are about ordering the world while S\F E\I are more about the world-mind connections we do

Contrary to the other functions I believe P is less of an affirmative quality. It's more about the 'weakness of J' than Pness.

 

[Costrin]

So what happens if u don't have Ji ?

You die. Sorry. Good luck in the afterlife.

 

[Riva]

Ni focuses on interconnection. Where Ne has endless possibilities, Ni see how all the different possibilities can be linked together into a whole. It gives a sense of unity... how everything all fits together.

Hypothesis:

Ne - Metaphor second. When I want to describe something, I think of a metaphor that applies.

Ni - Metaphor first. You see something and come up with a metaphor, then think of a way to apply it.

Expanding on that...

Ne: Metaphor to describe

Ni: Metaphor to understand

It seems like Ni has a natural tendency to turn things into symbolic representations. In some ways, to understand something, Ni goes... this is like XXX. Then it starts linking various components of the thing to different parts of XXX. Once it has a workable metaphor, then Ni manipulates the mental object in order to make conjectures about the real object.

Ni rather introspect about the representation of the object rather than to poke at the physical object (like Se) in order to understand it.

You die. Sorry. Good luck in the afterlife.

according to these i am an Ne.

 

[Costrin]

according to these i am an Ne.

Subtext being, "but I'm actually not"?

 

[redacted]

Ne - intuition pointed at the environment. sacrifices depth for breadth
Ni - intuition pointed at the current thought process. sacrifices breadth for depth

yes, it's really that simple.

 

[Litvyak]

Introverted iNtuiting - Recognizes that the forest is deeply symbolic of all of life in its interconnectedness and constant recycling and growth and foresees that this forest will soon be torn down for a housing development...

Are you sure this can be applied to both Ni-dominant types? Do INTJ's think this way?

 

[Darjur]

Are you sure this can be applied to both Ni-dominant types? Do INTJ's think this way?

I don't.

 

[nightning]

Introverted iNtuiting - Recognizes that the forest is deeply symbolic of all of life in its interconnectedness and constant recycling and growth and foresees that this forest will soon be torn down for a housing development...

Are you sure this can be applied to both Ni-dominant types? Do INTJ's think this way?

Not for me...

A forest is made of trees... and can be used to represent life. Forest => ecosystem. Earth => larger ecosystem. Death of forest = death of earth? Perhaps... perhaps not. Life is change. The forest changes with seasons. Therefore change is natural. To say whether one type of change is better or worse than another is in the domain of judgment. In this case feeling sad that the forest will soon be torn down for housing is Fe.

 

[entropie]

Ni focuses on interconnection. Where Ne has endless possibilities, Ni see how all the different possibilities can be linked together into a whole. It gives a sense of unity... how everything all fits together.

That sounds more like Fi to me

 

[entropie]

This one is good concerning the topic: Introverted intuition - Wikisocion

 

[Tiltyred]

The world is not real, and everything in it is a symbol.