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    Kickin' Ass since 1984 GargoylesLegacy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petite Etoile View Post
    I'm pretty sure T/F is simply the dimension of your personality which dictates how you make decisions. Although i am very emotive, i still tend to make decisions based primarily on logic rather than based on my values. and I'm sure it's just as possible for someone who is very logical to make more decisions based on their feelings.
    I liked this statement about the whole T / F thing very much. This sums it up quite good I'd say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WithoutaFace View Post
    Wait, so tell me if this is a plausible guess here (I am not saying this is true, this is mostly rhetorical):

    INTJMom used her tertiary Fi in order to discern between fake and genuine behavior. Through her Fi, she experienced a "gut feeling" and concluded that I was being fake. Then using auxiliary extroverted thinking, she materialized her affect and challenged my sincerity, making the decision to leave this thread?

    Or......
    She used her primary Ni and then made her conclusion using secondary Te. Then based off of her conclusion, decided that she did not like me through tertiary Fi, and left the thread?

    DM, do either or both of these make sense?
    Heh a personal functions based question just for me? Wee.

    But seriously I'm not that much of a expert.

    If I were to answer your question I would say:
    You can't analyze her without her input.

    Could be:
    1) Ni to Te
    2) Ni to Fi
    3) Just Te (if something is obviously out of "order")

    So you can't really know how anyone reached a conclusion until you ask them,
    It's like a math problem, everyone gets the answer but you can't see how they got the answer until you see their work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalMethod View Post
    Heh a personal functions based question just for me? Wee.

    But seriously I'm not that much of a expert.

    If I were to answer your question I would say:
    You can't analyze her without her input.

    Could be:
    1) Ni to Te
    2) Ni to Fi
    3) Just Te (if something is obviously out of "order")

    So you can't really know how anyone reached a conclusion until you ask them,
    It's like a math problem, everyone gets the answer but you can't see how they got the answer until you see their work.
    Gotcha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WithoutaFace View Post
    Do you any of you INTJs feel similarly at times? If so, how do you cope?
    It's happened to me only once. I figured out I was in love with someone I broke up with, 3 months after the breakup. Yes. I'm dense and don't often recognize my feelings.

    Fi is very much under the surface. Not seen by others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    It's happened to me only once. I figured out I was in love with someone I broke up with, 3 months after the breakup. Yes. I'm dense and don't often recognize my feelings.

    Fi is very much under the surface. Not seen by others.
    Sorry. =(

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    I must say that reading this thread was very interesting.

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    gosh there are so many INTJ's on this site. crazy. i don't understand you people.... : )
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    I probably have at least 3-5 good cries a year. Most are alone. One or two are with close friends I feel safe with. Though occasionally I will cry in a church small group setting (close/safe with about 1/3 of the people) but trust the honesty will have a positive effect for the group as a whole.

    I experience great catharsis from my deep cries.

    I think my Fi is very well developed and consider it a faithful companion to my Ni.

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    After listening to all this, I have so far reaffirmed a previous thought. It is somewhat obvious, but more geared towards the NTs who renounce feelings odiously or just eschew it for whatever reason:

    Feelings are good. They help us understand the world in a different light. It is what makes us unique, and what allows us to develop bonds. They help us intellectually and spiritually. Perhaps this is a call to some of us to stop thinking so damn much (or at least categorically relying on it).

    AntiSocial One:
    I notice that at times you seem nonplussed by emotions, or others' confusion at "cold behavior." Now I'm definitely not telling you to be somewhat you are not, but perhaps it is time to elevate your interest in such topics to actual experimentation (Who knows, something very valuable can precipitate out it)? That is, unless you have not already done so.

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    Greetings to all NTís. I find this thread very interesting as I have a lot of INTJ friends.

    I always thought that Tís and Fís both could have strong feelings, but they have different feelings, and that their feelings are triggered by different circumstances.

    Fís react strongly if people or values are involved. Tís react strongly when logic or ideaís they adhere to are questioned. The easiest way to get Tís all emotional is to start reasoning in an non-logical emotional way. I now Tís (INTPís) who then go into a but-thatís-not-logical!-how-can-you-even-think-that rant. I once invited some friends to listen to a therapeutic session (taped) about a father and his addicted daughter, very emotional. One INTJ got all beserk ĎHow can you even listen to this!í and stormed out of the room, while we Nfís were looking at each other ĎWhatís his problem? This is just interesting. Listen to all the emotional fine-tuning that is happening.í The INTJ had the strongest emotional reaction of us all.

    But what I want to ask is this: INTJís that I know have a very strong feeling that I rarely have. The feeling of certainty. Certainty is an emotional state of the brain attached to an idea, just like anger or fear. Now certainty is a feeling I almost never have. Iím almost never certain about anything (actually Iím not even certain about that.) It often happens that INTJís I know are are so certain about their idea's that when I argue with them, they end up telling me not only what's wrong with my idea's, but whatís wrong with me.

    So what do you INTJís think? Enlighten me.

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