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    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerbell View Post
    Thats Ok - you don't have to be open minded, many are not. I'm just giving you the alternative point of view on media culture. Clearly you are omnipresent and know everthing.

    Alternatively maybe you should try and think broader about the issue than the limits of your experience to date... such a limiting exposure from the sound of it....

    Enjoy attcking folks for replying

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerbell View Post
    no but people shouldn't be attacked due to your own lack of ability to think beyond the relms....

    I just stated a point of view....

    Although quite a skating article Indigo children are what many of this generation are labled. Some psycologists recognise - others do not....
    Indigo Children

    The WEIRD thing is that many ENTP's are possibly previous generation's indigo children, which is why they drift through topics and get bored easily, and behave like 6 year old at times, and don't like authority figures..... They also hate to be manipulated, are highly sensitive of other peoples agendas and tend to challenge them without much as a blink of an eye

    If Indigo children are defined, they fall into the generation who were born on the cusp and with new technology.... I've been in futurology presentations, that this generation is one of HYPER tec status, can follow many multiple activities simultaneously. They need many more functions withing their tec that previous ones...

    The whole attention deficit suggest in this instance, that these kids require far higher level os stimulation and rapid information than before - a real like P type - who scan massive quantities of information to see the tends and bigger picture.

    I'm not saying to you beleive it, but worth considerering or you limit your own thinking to what you've personaly expeiriences... Even Enstien had issue with that

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    Troll. This can't even be close to being real. You have to be one of my friends or something. No one really believes this shit. You can't honestly tell me that you believe that the baby boomer generation likes TV so much because Neptune has some mixed matched feelings about another celestial being? Really? What if I were to tell you that the generation that we are discussing actually views more media on a daily basis that any other generation, yet they are some how not under that effect due to some other randomly assigned astronomical equation. Seriously its not that I'm not open minded about my "world view' its that I've considered living my life like that, and quite frankly I'd rather be tortured to death. Placing all your hopes and dreams about randomly assigned system arbitrarily passing out attributes based on birth dates is just as logical as the flying spaghetti monster, or The Virgin Mary or Zeus, all the same chances of being true, so Don't get me wrong I've considered these things that you sit up on your high horse and spout off about, but really have you considered how inane and ridiculous you sound as a grown woman discussing this in a serious thread? Seriously?


    This has to be some one trolling me. No one is this incomprehensible.

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    it could very well be that the production costs on the disposable shows is so cheap so as to really be the bottom line for profits, but ask them if tehy care that almost none of the current shows will have teh syndication lifespan of yesterdays shows if they are losing todays youth audiences. I have no idea what is earned on reruns, but it is somethign to think about.

    Friends is played all over the globe. I love lucy is watched by people half a century later. They dont make any money on casting shows, because nobody is goign to watch them again and the countries copying the concepts can do so in a way so as to not interfere with any copyrights.

    But for real, I dont see a future in television as high speed internet bandwidth gets cheaper. I'm not about to pay for any services, but I have no problems sitting through a commericial in order to get content, such as watchign the daily show online. Future companies will be able to bypass the networks and still make some money while keeping creative control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickels View Post
    Troll. This can't even be close to being real. You have to be one of my friends or something. No one really believes this shit. You can't honestly tell me that you believe that the baby boomer generation likes TV so much because Neptune has some mixed matched feelings about another celestial being? Really? What if I were to tell you that the generation that we are discussing actually views more media on a daily basis that any other generation, yet they are some how not under that effect due to some other randomly assigned astronomical equation. Seriously its not that I'm not open minded about my "world view' its that I've considered living my life like that, and quite frankly I'd rather be tortured to death. Placing all your hopes and dreams about randomly assigned system arbitrarily passing out attributes based on birth dates is just as logical as the flying spaghetti monster, or The Virgin Mary or Zeus, all the same chances of being true, so Don't get me wrong I've considered these things that you sit up on your high horse and spout off about, but really have you considered how inane and ridiculous you sound as a grown woman discussing this in a serious thread? Seriously?


    This has to be some one trolling me. No one is this incomprehensible.

    Just because you are ignorant, doen't make me a troll. I can see you are not out of school yet so I wont take offense, but perhaps you should think about not being so agressive towards people who have broader interests than you do.

    Your own narrow mindedness will limit your learning opportunities... Which may be what you want out of life, but personally, as an ENTP I enjoy looking at things in a different way, and I don't really give a shit what your opinion of those ways are....

    Hope the INTP get it..

    Lis xx

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    Ok heres the deal...

    I'll show you the astro take on generational factors...

    1915-1940 pluto is in Cancer (sign of nurturing). Neptune travels through Leo then virgo in that time and Uranus travels from Aqua to Taurus...

    Cancer generaton (mainly ring fenced by Pluto's movment) is the War generations, what is called in the US the GI generation and the Silent generation, cancer is about food, and this generation when short, the impact being - they gorw food, store food, security for them is about food on the table.... They are natrual recyclers because they went without - open a cupboard in their kitchen and 6 empty plastic boxes will fall out on you. They scrape the mould off an eat it anyways. Thes guys on mass grew up wih the radio.


    Leo generation
    1941 = Pluto moves into Leo until 1957
    Neptune is in virgo for the first few years then high tales into Libra, Uranus is at the end of taurus and moves through to the begining of Leo in this time.....

    These guys grew up with the previous generation as parents, they peaked the population around the baby boomers (however it's a slightly wider span than the generational lables), Leo generation includes the tail end of the silent generation and some of the of the generation Joneses.

    These guys teened on rock and roll, marked campaigners (which is an Aquarius quality - on the soap box for humanity culture). These guys campagnes for womens, rights, anti war, equal opportunitites, breaking glass celings etc etc... Tey also started to divorce on mass

    While they were off having big batteles - who was looking after the kids??? Kids were being brought up on E numbers - angel delight, convenience foods, fast moving consumer goods... They key being more time, and the real mass media really kicked in.

    Kenedy was the first mass media assasination, Bundy the first mass media serial killer, etc etc. This generation were weaned on black and white TV....

    Neptunes move into Libra was I think related to the flower power freedom, love, permissiveness, colurful/garishness. These guys were 20 in the 60's and 70's (which is one of the strongest teen generations that there has been.

    Virgo Generation Pluto moved into Virgo in 1957 and stayed there until 1972, Neptune was in Scorpio for the vast majority of this time, Uranus moved between Leo, virgo and Libra....

    These guys are mainly generation X (but it's tighter than X dates).

    In virgo they wanted detail... really big or really small - getto blasters = big, electronic watshes - small. They were the first generation to learn and develop computers. They created the technological revolution, in a few short years, we went from HUGE computers taking up lots of room, to most housholds having laptops, internet, mobile telephoney etc.

    In the 80's/early 90's these guys went one of two ways:
    Mad pop culture, probably doing a variety of Pop drugs like E and raving
    OR they did spiritualisim and tree hugging, new age movement. Although there is cross over between those two cultures, there was very definate tribal effect.

    In food terms, they want sourcing on the lables, they want to know about chemicals in food, they want cleaner origins, they started a UK cluture of famers markets and distance of travel (not sure if the US has this today). Obesety is an massive issue for all Western cultures, diabetese etc... Virgo generation are trying to fix the damaged caused by the Leo generation previously to our food sourcing. They also into proper sae the planet recycling.

    Libra generation Pluto was in libra between 1973 and 1984, Neptune in Saggie then capricorn, Uranus Libra through saggie. The Scorpio span of Uranus in this generation saw the beginings of Aids.

    Libra equates to the latter part of Generation X and huge chunk of Generation Y....

    The Saggie in Neptune group went traveling, long haul, back packing (which the Leo generation started) and really living in a global world. Saggy rules long haul air travel. This generation quite literaly took off and went places. Lonely Planet, which is a wonderfully descrptive brand really sums this lot up - we are one planet.

    The virgo genration's media culture was pretty bland poppy (new romance, overly coloureful clothes which were plane bold colurs rather than the 70's psycodelic), which moved through acid culture of smiley faces etc etc....

    Libra generation is vain, sugual enhancements, are 10 and penny, boob jobs and botox. The birth of big brother TV (where celeberties are known for notoriety not talent). In fashion sence dull but rather clean cut. Supermodles and the promotion of astetics and the big thing, Top Model etc etc.

    From a media perspective it's that anyone can be famous if they go on TV - regardless of talent of beauty.

    Virgos liked to work out, Libras just get someone else to do the hard stuff.

    Be interesting to see wat this generation bring in terms of power etc.

    Scoprio Generation - Pluto arrives in Scorpio 1985 and leaves in 1996. Neptune in Cappy, Uranus in Saggie to Aqua.

    The main steep curve for Aids awarness happens now (Scorpio is seens as a sexula sign). Transforming permissive sex into sex with condoms (lowering the need for the pill - which I think is a good thing).

    In the begining people didn't know much about Aids and how it could be caught etc, it was just a death sentence. HIV was discovered and various treatments developed over the next 20 years or so.

    The glut of planets in Capricorn at the time, have the actual time an air of hedonism - wanting money and more and possessions, brands took off in the 80's.

    They are called generaton Y - which is much bigger in span than others probably because the guy who wrights this stuff can't see the differences between this generation.

    Ok these Scorp Pluto guys have hit thier 20's, have U tube and a glut of tecnology, and significantly tuened off by advertising. Have global networks of friends.

    Amy Whitehouse - to me sums up Pluto in Scorp - she's a mess, devine, but a mess. She is on the edge of pushing the death button all the time, the whole doing lots of drugs etc.

    These guys don't want to watch they want to DO, they make TV for U tube.

    Pluto in Saggie
    The next generatin Pluto in Saggie (have lost the Pluto Neptune sextile). 1996-2007, Neptune is in Cappy then Aqua for most of this time, and Uranus is Aqua then pisces.

    Slower times (the planets aren't moving as quick). Saggie rules travel, religion, beliefs (Pluto transforms). This marks the genration who grew up with 911 as part of their development.

    One world explotion of the Virgo genrations technology (moibles went mass market in the UK in 2000), computers were networked in offices from about 1996, Intranet took off around 2000. Domestic usage of net took off here for transacting c.2002. We've come a long way in a short space of time.

    These guys hyper tech - growing up with multiple media at their finger tips and are eveloving with those tecnologies.... Extrem P types and possibly categoriesed as Indigo Children (although I have to say I doubt the psycic ability although I don't know many kids that age) - they have the TP of being able to suss out thinking and see the bigger pitcture. I personally beleive there will be more ENTP's within that generation.

    OK enough soap boxing, no doubt you'll tell me it's all crap which is fine, but understand you don't know everything so what you beleive in is based on what you know...

    Lis

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    bahahah she called you an "indigo child", nickels.

    That's basically pseudo-scientific astrology bullshit for "NT".

    Except the research sucks a lot more and is comparatively useless.

    Also it brings supernatural garbage into the equation; apparently these "indigo children" of high mental abilities represent a higher state of human evolution. we're not even the same species apparently??

    Oooh and apparently some of us even have PSYCHIC ABILITIES! SPOOOOKY!!! Check out "indigo children" on wiki. elle-oh-effing-elle

    I mean I'd be ok with that description...if it wasn't totally fabricated new age trash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    bahahah she called you an "indigo child", nickels.

    That's basically pseudo-scientific astrology bullshit for "NT".

    Except the research sucks a lot more and is comparatively useless.

    Also it brings supernatural garbage into the equation; apparently these "indigo children" of high mental abilities represent a higher state of human evolution. we're not even the same species apparently??

    Oooh and apparently some of us even have PSYCHIC ABILITIES! SPOOOOKY!!! Check out "indigo children" on wiki. elle-oh-effing-elle

    I mean I'd be ok with that description...if it wasn't totally fabricated new age trash.
    I don't dissagree with you at all, it's just ANOTHER lable, would you prefer if it were called the ENTP generation

    ENTP's have historically been 1-2% of the population - randomly scanning a huge amount of data to iNtuitively absorbe a ton of data and come up with a radical answer. they Loathe control and authority and are happiest when given their own head room.

    The hyper tec generation will be more ENTP than previous. Not sure at all about the other New age stuff in their but worth keeping an open mind to see if these guys come out different.

    Do keep in mind that many people think than TP's can read peoples thoughts from their body cues etc
    FP's can read peoples feelings. Both in a rather syreal way. All it really means is there will be MORE witing this generation, they get bored quick, need to learn for themselve and HATE being tutored. Bright and self motivated but unruelly and naughty - need constant high volume of stimulus, hyperactive because they NEED brain food.

    This stuff is all just an alternative point of view, which CAN be useful if used.

    If we just take the generation types =
    Leo = big causes, big picture, attention seeking, self absorbed attention seekers
    Virgos = slightly dull, detail, health and well being, nurtician, detail clean freaks
    Libra = relationships and beauty
    Scorpio = sexuality and passion in every from, on the edge of death/truely deepness
    Saggies = upbeat dreamers of travel (possibly will take space holidays).
    Capricorn = resources and networking, business orientated.

    Each of these generations are coloured by Neptune and Uranus too - which causes sub generation classifications.

    How do they respond different to TV/mass media in terms of taste....

    I fully expect to catch it in the back of the neck both barrels for daring to be different and considering different perspectives to allow me to grasp bigger concepts. I don't really give a shit if you can't think beyond the box, I just find it funny that people view themselves as free thinkers when they clearly are not

    Of course, you can always look me up in 15 years time with the stats on ENTP-ness and argue with more robust evidence on your side, but for now, your not really on solid ground. It's difficult to see what a generation will be before they are 20 and then again 40 - time will tell. As I said futurologists see these kids a hyper tech - they abse it population behaviour not pscology (which in itself is wooly bollox which is barely provale - your should read Wiki for MBTI - it pretty much said made up bull shit that is unproven - LOL yet you seem to beleive in it LOL)

    Lis

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I mean I'd be ok with that description...if it wasn't totally fabricated new age trash.
    Try reading more than Wiki - you'll see a lot of ENTP-ness in the defintions of Indigo kids, if you take away the EXTREME profiling (the psycic/past life stuff), it's uncannily true. Perhaps being a bit kinder of the profilers who are trying to define the wider aspects of ENTP-ness without understanding.

    Can you read peoples thoughts and motives? I can quiet often, I can see straight through the bull. What would other people call that who can't see through the crap like this? ESP? mind reading, telepathy - lots of weird words. Of course you are not reading thoughts, you are reading behaviours, psycology, intuative understanding of people....

    Worth considering that the profile of this population will just be different.

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    I'm surprised an ENTP believes in this trash.

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    Oh man, I lol'd furiously reading Nickel's reaction to the astrological nonsense. Pretty much took the words right out of my mouth.

    I understand that by assigning certain traits to planets and comparing their alignment you could come up with explanations to pretty much anything, but that is exactly the problem. You can come up with explanations for ANYTHING given you're creative enough. Exactly the problem I see with "functional analysis" in the MBTI; you're given a very vague list of descriptors for an incredibly complex system. With enough creativity, any alignment of the vague descriptors could be logically justified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJimbo View Post
    Exactly the problem I see with "functional analysis" in the MBTI; you're given a very vague list of descriptors for an incredibly complex system. With enough creativity, any alignment of the vague descriptors could be logically justified.
    MBTI is unproven, what you are refering too is the Brnham effect (? sp) ie people will see themselves in anything.

    For me, where I have seen astrology really work amazinly is transits when at specific points in time peoples like are subject to major upheaval - most of these happen mid life, but sometime early on. I'm not saying beleive, but it can be useful (IMHO) information to consider when developing ideas. Not for eveyone I know, but Media culture is SO finate in astrology it had a begining and an end, and has various themes throughout....

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