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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezion View Post
    ...supposedly thinking types take advice more detachedly, while feeling types take advice more personally.
    That seems generally consistent with my observations.

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    ^ Ha!!!

    My F friends actually *appreciate* advice given whereas my T friends feel all huffy, puffy, and, yes, offended by it, as if they, *shock horror* could actually be in need of advice, as if they don't already know, or *think* they know all there is to know.

    Ts are more prone to exhibit intellectual rigidity and elitism, imo.

    Fs or perhaps FPs are more open to criticism, I believe, but..heh, I am probably being biased here.
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    LOL, well you have a point, but maybe 'critiscism' isn't the right word. Stick to 'advice'. I think F's maybe more likely to take advice under consideration if it was formulated correctly and show their appreciation for said advice, whereas critiscism seems to be better digested by T's who are actually able to use it if they think it has value. The question is really whether or not T's will fess up to actually finding your criticism usefull. That depends on the T, IMHE
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    ^ Ha!!!

    My F friends actually *appreciate* advice given whereas my T friends feel all huffy, puffy, and, yes, offended by it, as if they, *shock horror* could actually be in need of advice, as if they don't already know, or *think* they know all there is to know.
    speaking for myself, but definitely as a T, you couldn't be more wrong about our reasoning.
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    When push comes to shove, an overall highly intelligent person, at least in my books, is someone who understands a lot of things well, which includes understanding their own feelings as well as the feelings of others.

    Thoughts, oftentimes, evoke feelings and feelings, oftentimes, evoke thoughts. To be honest, I cannot imagine any other way of processing experience.

    I can say this though, not all thoughts evoke or stem from feelings, whereas *all* feelings stem from and evoke thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    When push comes to shove, an overall highly intelligent person, at least in my books, is someone who understands a lot of things well, which includes understanding their own feelings as well as the feelings of others.

    Thoughts, oftentimes, evoke feelings and feelings, oftentimes, evoke thoughts. To be honest, I cannot imagine any other way of processing experience.

    I can say this though, not all thoughts evoke or stem from feelings, whereas *all* feelings stem from and evoke thoughts.
    who is the "someone" you're referring to in this post?

    are you just stating a random belief for the fun of it, or are you comparing Ts and Fs?
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    Someone, in this context, refers to whom I believe to be "an overall highly intelligent person".
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    Everything below is way too late. I can't keep up with these threads but find the conversation fascinating.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
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    (As an F who is commonly called "Ev-bot" because I'm so obsessed with logic, this has always been a big qualm I've had with the system.)
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    (I'm using this as an example because it's the situation I'm in. I call myself INFJ, but I hate the fact that people box me into the non-logical category. In fact, I'm more logical than almost anyone I've known besides my INTP father.)...
    Based on a few conversations around here, I'm beginning to think that people who place a high value on logic (not all do) probably feel like they are more logical than most others.

    Drawing an observation from the Jack Flak / Evan dialogue - I see less of a thinking / feeling difference than I see Evan more often taking offense at JFs debate style but in turn presenting arguments less combatively (except when offended), and JF taking less offense at Evan's or others debate style but also more off the cuff in debating with zingers that may cause offense.

    Evan, I think JF meant less offense than was communicated.

    JF, I think you missed some of Es logic regarding function order. To the degree that INTJs and INFJs share the dominant Ni, I think I track with E in this conversation. Es contention that his reversed secondary and tertiary order for Fe and Ti seems logical to me. I'd have to say that I share similar Ni characteristics with other INFJs, even though those INFJs probably have secondary Fe and tertiary Ti....i.e. they are more "feely."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Someone, in this context, refers to whom I believe to be "an overall highly intelligent person".
    so, it was just a random statement for the fun of it then? you weren't trying to make a point about the T vs. F dichotomy?
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    Regarding T and F as it relates to NTs and NFs, what do you think about this conjecture:

    NFs are more easily offended.

    NTs are more stubborn.

    I kind of like the advice/criticism commentary. But I don't think NTs are closed to advice per se. They are more likely to receive criticism the same way as they do advice. An NT will learn from either if it makes it past any potential stubborn opposition. But an NT won't quickly take offense from criticism, they'll just reject it.

    Where NFs, when presented with advice that comes in, shall we say, an attractive package are more likely than NTs to consider that advice. Criticism (which can really be called advice in a stinky package) may be extremely constructive for an NF, but the odor of the package will greatly minimize an NFs ability to receive it.

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