The thing is -- even if 1 was true, the Ni/Ti/Fe INFJ will still look more F than other NTs because Feeling is still the first extroverted function.Personally, I lean towards (2) but of course people should be allowed to use the system in the way it makes the best sense to them
The reason I lean towards (2) is because I have repreatedly observed INFJs in my personal life who believe themselves to be INTs when they clearly qualify as feelers in my book. but i'm talking about my own experiences. - to challenge you, personally, I'd have to meet you in RL situations involving coffee
Again, LOOKING idealistic and THINKING idealistically are different. An INFJ will most likely look more idealistic than NTs (although INTJs are sometimes pretty out there).this is exactly why I presented the two views above:
if we go with view (1) then there is no reason Ni/Ti/Fe types should be more idealistic than the average NT. - Though my point was that such Ni/Ti-types often end up being very idealistisc so none the less, even though there is no good theoretical reason why they should be so. - Which speaks for the function hierarchies established by the MBTI, i.e. view (2).
Regardless, though, I know plenty of NTs that I consider much more idealistic than I am. And they would agree. It's only the people that know MBTI and know I'm an F that call me idealistic. The people I know that don't know MBTI always talk about how logical I am, even so logical that they get weirded out. I've heard this from multiple NTs.
Plus, everyone I teach the system to immediately labels me as a T, and they start to doubt the system when I say I'm technically an F.
I actually like the idea of fitting into boxes. I like frameworks that work well. I have no problem with MBTI stripping me of individuality or something. It just doesn't make sense to think of the order as so fixed. The fact that I am updating it is actually due to my desire to have a framework that actually DOES separate people more cleanly.Right, I know my reasoning here isn't especially NT-esque, so take it for what it is - but psychologically, I have observed how NTs, especially NTJs seem distressed when someone, or they themselves, do not fit neatly into the system. Whereas the INFJs that I know seem to revel in the fact that they somehow do not fit into the boxes. But again, I'm telling you what my Ne has observed IRL. Not who you are