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    Yes, I am a practicing Christian (practicing in the sense that I attend and enjoy church/Bible study, I try to incorporate prayer into my every-day life, and my faith affects my decisions and behavior) and test as an INTJ. I have lots of NT friends who are also Christian, though it's clear that (at least among the Christians I know), the NTs are probably the least common group.

    I notice that I approach faith differently from most other Christians I know. I question a lot of things and believe that my faith can be reconciled with science. I believe in evolution of all beings, but that God was behind it. I don't rely on a God-of-the-gaps ideology to give evidence for my belief in God. Much of the basis for my belief is comprised of how I perceive God to have affected my own life and the lives of those around me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilen View Post
    It was harder for rules to be applied and people were uneducated.
    if what you say is true, % of religious people will continue to drop? since people are now more educated. And this will continue. To the point of?

    Based on your previous post, you seem to think everyone is independent and strong enough to get through life happily without God. If god is not present, in what will they shelter their insecurities in? (that's honestly, a question i've been wondering )
    What else can perform that emotional support? Religion's effect on us increases depending on how much we believe in it. Its hard to believe some wacko cult, based on a pen. But 1000 year old system. Its eaiser to trust in. Increase of faith, strength -> increase of comfort and truely believing god loves you. Which -> aid fighting against depression, traumatic, experiences, etc

    On a site note
    I believe the whole concept of god was created, of course to reinforce laws, morals, etc. But also to free one's worries. eg. "This crop season may turn out bad" so to free oneself from that anxiety they created some god. By offering a tribute, now one can rest in peace.
    Those who don't follow some god like rituals, may lead to other rituals. Let say, superstitions. Lucky underwear, lucky pencil, etc. etc.

    But just like rumors, people are more like to believe in something, when done in a group. This causes whatever the religion promises (lets say happiness) to strengthen, as the follower's belief will strengthen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blanclait View Post
    if what you say is true, % of religious people will continue to drop? since people are now more educated. And this will continue. To the point of?
    I am basing this on observation, and it is obvious; 3rd world countries have much more religious zealots than developed ones.

    But education and implemented rules are definitely not the only factors, but they're the most influential.

    Based on your previous post, you seem to think everyone is independent and strong enough to get through life happily without God. If god is not present, in what will they shelter their insecurities in? (that's honestly, a question i've been wondering )
    What else can perform that emotional support? Religion's effect on us increases depending on how much we believe in it. Its hard to believe some wacko cult, based on a pen. But 1000 year old system. Its eaiser to trust in. Increase of faith, strength -> increase of comfort and truely believing god loves you. Which -> aid fighting against depression, traumatic, experiences, etc

    On a site note
    I believe the whole concept of god was created, of course to reinforce laws, morals, etc. But also to free one's worries. eg. "This crop season may turn out bad" so to free oneself from that anxiety they created some god. By offering a tribute, now one can rest in peace.
    Those who don't follow some god like rituals, may lead to other rituals. Let say, superstitions. Lucky underwear, lucky pencil, etc. etc.

    But just like rumors, people are more like to believe in something, when done in a group. This causes whatever the religion promises (lets say happiness) to strengthen, as the follower's belief will strengthen.


    Shit the bell went off, srry if something doesnt make any sense.
    It's not about what makes more happy, I would have been much happier believing in flying unicorns, talking tomatoes, tooth-fairy strippers and eternal life in heaven having wild orgies with 77 virgin hotties.

    But once people exercise their brains, many cannot keep believing in such BS, even if they would rather believe.
    I don't see contradiction in what you're saying and the point I expressed, I agree that's what religion is and that's the social function it was created to serve. But if you give people real alternatives to counter their worries, they will not seek fake ones.

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    No self-help book has provided me with as much guidance as the New Testament.

    That said, I have a big problem with other Christians who are dogmatic and won't challenge anything the Bible says. I believe in there being a God, not in me being a sheep. Also, while I attend church and vote Republican, I don't believe in creationism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel View Post
    No self-help book has provided me with as much guidance as the New Testament.

    That said, I have a big problem with other Christians who are dogmatic and won't challenge anything the Bible says. I believe in there being a God, not in me being a sheep. Also, while I attend church and vote Republican, I don't believe in creationism.
    Total agreement. Especially the passages on the power of love.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by squibbles View Post
    Yes, I am a practicing Christian (practicing in the sense that I attend and enjoy church/Bible study, I try to incorporate prayer into my every-day life, and my faith affects my decisions and behavior) and test as an INTJ. I have lots of NT friends who are also Christian
    Same... only in my circles there are a lot of Christian intellectuals, so many are NT types too...
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    I believe in God, though my concept of what God is is solely based upon whatever bits of spiritual knowledge and wisdom I've been able to derive from my own searching and life experiences. I've never been one to believe in "God" for the sake of believing it or because the Christian (or other religion) church says I must. I think the concept of God would be much more attractive to INTP's if they were inclined to seek greater understanding of it the way they do everything else, as opposed to taking one concept of God as it is offered in one particular belief system without subjecting it to their own "search and analyze" mission. My "belief" in God could probably be likened to more of a spiritual theory toward a theoretical understanding of how reality, of and beyond the material universe, is structured...

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    I don't believe in God or religion. I'd be open to considering the concept if compelling evidence emerged. True empirical proof, but until then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    I believe in God, though my concept of what God is is solely based upon whatever bits of spiritual knowledge and wisdom I've been able to derive from my own searching and life experiences. I've never been one to believe in "God" for the sake of believing it or because the Christian (or other religion) church says I must. I think the concept of God would be much more attractive to INTP's if they were inclined to seek greater understanding of it the way they do everything else, as opposed to taking one concept of God as it is offered in one particular belief system without subjecting it to their own "search and analyze" mission. My "belief" in God could probably be likened to more of a spiritual theory toward a theoretical understanding of how reality, of and beyond the material universe, is structured...
    And how did you conclude that the analysis that led you to belief was atypical of INTPs?. In other words: what, besides a conclusion different from yours, indicates that non-believing INTPS are not "inclined to seek greater understanding of it the way they do everything else, as opposed to taking one concept of God as it is offered in one particular belief system without subjecting it to their own "search and analyze" mission"?
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