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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Getting others to help you manipulate them... Dude, you're good
    Only by allowing them to change my behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangler View Post
    Only by allowing them to change my behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Ur words are wise Leaping Bear. We shall share the peace pipe now.
    Puff puff pass
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    i think its important to remember that ENTJ are supposedly amazing in Social Situations. we can control and organise people all around us in a social context. We do so by being Persuasive like everyone keeps saying on here. and also i concur with the general consensus that ENTJ while capable are way too forward to have any desire to be so SINISTER.

    BUT!

    speaking from experience, i DO manipulate quite a lot. i notice it in conversation, argument, and circumstance, i have pretty much absolute control over direction and path of most situations and occurrences. And i do Manipulate rather successfully, because i have learnt an INFJ trick. By showing enough to not have people guess there is more under the surface, people give up the chase. that is you are forward and open enough to be able to satisfy any curiosity, thus allowing a subversive manipulation to go undetected.

    i think generally ENTJ only ever manipulate when they have no confidence in their persuasion, or if they are confident that they aren't going to get caught
    after all, practicing such acts with terrible connotations like that cannot be good to the reputation of trust of the ENTJ, and so can only harm the overall goal
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    Quote Originally Posted by ENTJ Extraordinaire View Post
    And i do Manipulate rather successfully, because i have learnt an INFJ trick. By showing enough to not have people guess there is more under the surface, people give up the chase. that is you are forward and open enough to be able to satisfy any curiosity, thus allowing a subversive manipulation to go undetected.
    It sometimes annoys me how well this works.

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    Yes,

    But so do ENTPs when interested enough to care... Probably sneakier than most ENTJs too since we don't need to have the illusion of power to go with it.

    Of course, I have to add, everyone engages in the "manipulation" and on some level agrees to be lead if they are not interested in doing so themselves. Hence the illusion of control, but it is so fleeting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormyapril View Post
    Yes,

    But so do ENTPs when interested enough to care... Probably sneakier than most ENTJs too since we don't need to have the illusion of power to go with it.

    Of course, I have to add, everyone engages in the "manipulation" and on some level agrees to be lead if they are not interested in doing so themselves. Hence the illusion of control, but it is so fleeting...
    I agree with all of it.
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    Honestly I've never been called manipulative in my entire life.

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    There's a subset of all types who are manipulative.

    As far as the ENTJ friend and I are concerned, we're too direct to manipulate.

    I find it annoying to expend time and energy on machinations. But what might be considered manipulative at cursory glance, is shifting perception.

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    Yes, infact, it's very easy.

    I think unhealthy ENTJ's are more likely to be manipulative.

    I don't think there really is a need to manipulate anyone.

    Unless it's in a work environment and it's absolutely necessary.

    I still wouldn't bother, if I want something, I'm going to say that I do, and you better do it. I don't have time for games.


    speaking from experience, i DO manipulate quite a lot. i notice it in conversation, argument, and circumstance, i have pretty much absolute control over direction and path of most situations and occurrences. And i do Manipulate rather successfully, because i have learnt an INFJ trick. By showing enough to not have people guess there is more under the surface, people give up the chase. that is you are forward and open enough to be able to satisfy any curiosity, thus allowing a subversive manipulation to go undetected.
    Good point. I used to that all the time when I was younger...

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