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    Quote Originally Posted by Wade Wilson View Post
    This is why, I think, the human race as a whole is being held back intellectually. We still allow our own constructs (words, in this case) to affected our feelings and actions.
    Since we "think" with words, i.e., they provide the "software language" our hardware runs in order to act and speak, how are we supposed to process feelings and actions without them?
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    Such selective disparity. We're quick to take offense at apparent "weakness" while thumbing our nose at the notion of being "offended."


    Petty hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Since we "think" with words, i.e., they provide the "software language" our hardware runs in order to act and speak, how are we supposed to process feelings and actions without them?
    I didn't mean to get rid of them entirely. I just don't get the point of being offended by them. They're only words and they only have as much meaning as we give them, so why let them affect us if we have control over their power?
    I know a girl, she's one of a kind
    But the poor little thing, she's going out of her mind
    There's something you forgot - there's a reason why she's lost
    Cos baby she don't want to be found

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    It is ironic, though, that us INTP's are sometimes so obsessed with precise language...
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    I'd be lying if I said their posts didn't irk me slightly. I'm irked I wasted the time reading through them, I think this thread isn't really necessary and only validates their smiley-filled rants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mippus View Post
    It is ironic, though, that us INTPs are sometimes so obsessed with precise language...
    Fixed.

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    The thread title is out of line, I wont read anything written here
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    This thread reminds of the game little kids play "I'm not touching you"
    "You will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you never had the courage to commit."

    Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office
    than to serve and obey them. - David Hume

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mippus
    It is ironic, though, that us INTPs are sometimes so obsessed with precise language...
    Fixed.
    Not quite. It should say "we INTPs" not "us".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    This thread reminds of the game little kids play "I'm not touching you"
    I'm not touching you either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wade Wilson View Post
    I didn't mean to get rid of them entirely. I just don't get the point of being offended by them. They're only words and they only have as much meaning as we give them, so why let them affect us if we have control over their power?
    I feel sort of stuck in both worlds. I understand how to be detached from words and free. I also understand how words and language define who we are. Looking back at my childhood, I remember being able to impersonally analyze the situation and critique words aimed at me by people who hurt me, who I should have been able to trust; yet I was also deeply wounded by them, no matter how much my "brain" told me it didn't matter. I see both. We're not machines.

    Language controls thought. I just read an article this morning about Orwell: "He believed that bad language and bad politics were one and the same," the author said. Interesting -- maybe food for another thread?

    Much of the detachment INTPs practice (especially when younger) occurs because they naturally avoid intimate relationships with others. So of course we're not impacted by words -- we're not impacted by anything because we've put a buffer around ourselves.

    But I guarantee that if you let yourself get close to someone, really close, and thus vulnerable to them and even dependent on them in some ways (*gasp!*), words start mattering.

    This is what the rest of the world does understand. Not just in our personal relationships but in our public ones: Words and what names we assign to what things or what groups of people shape cultural thought, they shape public policy, they shape how we raise our kids.

    We might focus on precision in the text: Words in relationship to themselves, detached from the human objects they point towards. Other people do have emotional overtones (and sometimes far more) attached to those pointers. That's where THEIR sense of nuance comes into play.
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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