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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    That seems to depend on the whims of the clique that seem to make their name attacking others. It's not subjects in particular that cause the issue, it's the communication style. Certain topics, like non-INTPs, emotions, supporting status-quo, religion and what are worse, sure, but they aren't the issue in itself. Sometimes the most innocent things drag up someone's insecurity (or the group's insecurities) and it's off the races.

    What it reminds me of is going to a political party's rally and questioning one of their talking points. Sometimes civil, sometimes not, but it's not terribly conductive to anything meaningful.

    (And of course, it's been a long time since I have been there. The particulars have faded and only the feeling remains, for me.)
    Is it really that monolithic? (Actually see my response to your other post a bit lower)

    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Not much has changed.

    They are too offended by discussions of necrophilia and, moreover, too concerned with political correctness and social harmony -- doesn't sound very INTP-like, does it?

    Or I don't know, maybe they're not concerned with political correctness, they're just easily offended.
    No, you're just exceptionally bad at reading people and situations. Aspie, yes?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    Even though you say this in "jest", the point remains. The nature of groups of like individuals claim a group identity, but don't really live it. All that happens is a shifting of standards to a very narrow mindset. It's not more open, it's just closed. Group dynamics can be very different than the nature of the individuals. Especially in cases where certain groups don't have very evolved group traits - the parts that allow healthy group identification are sub-par on average on INTPc.

    That's my theory anyway. I've observed it a few times when certain types get together. Happens in reverse too, with other similar types getting into bad situations as a result (get a bunch of STPs together with something "fun" and all sense of reason goes out the window!)
    Is this unavoidable with a forum dominated by (and publicly identifying as) INTPs?

    In other words, is this just natural group behavior, or can something be done about it? Identifying it in action?

    Sometimes I will see complaints about certain actions or threads. And their complaint is accurate, but sometimes overstated and they often miss the (perhaps even more important) subtext to the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Is it really that monolithic?
    Yes. But kind of like the ocean is monolithic in nature. The large scale forces involved make it irrelevent how much individual diversity there is under the surface.

    Is this unavoidable with a forum dominated by (and publicly identifying as) INTPs?
    All things are biases, and so nothing is truly unavoidable. It simply is extremely likely and would require massive changes to make the change. It was so entrenched that unavoidable is close enough to true, IMO, which is why I'm fairly confident nothing significant has changed.

    Why make a change though? If the people there are happy, then does it matter? If people aren't, they can come here, or elsewhere. Both gain - here, as a filtering system, and there as a den of refuge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    Why make a change though? If the people there are happy, then does it matter? If people aren't, they can come here, or elsewhere. Both gain - here, as a filtering system, and there as a den of refuge.
    There are a lot of INTPs here, and more keep signing up.

    We don't want this place to turn into a mirror of INTPc.

    While there are things to do here to avoid this, I'm wondering what we can do there to make INTPc a better forum and virtual community.

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    Maybe a new sister site called Ex-INTP-Ministry.org?
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    Everything's fine. Just be happy INTPc exists, so MBTIc isn't a perverse hybrid of the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    There are a lot of INTPs here, and more keep signing up.

    We don't want this place to turn into a mirror of INTPc.

    While there are things to do here to avoid this, I'm wondering what we can do there to make INTPc a better forum and virtual community.
    Better how? Why/What do you think it is lacking now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IF3157 View Post
    Better how? Why/What do you think it is lacking now?
    That's what I'm asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    That's what I'm asking.
    There were two questions. And you are asking for both?
    What I'm interested in is whether anything in particular made you want to fish for MBTIc posters' views on INTPc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    There are a lot of INTPs here, and more keep signing up.

    We don't want this place to turn into a mirror of INTPc.
    I don't think there are too many risks of that. It's rather like any defection game. INTPc is a monopoly, MBTIc is not. All MBTIc needs is moderate policing to break up any of the strong cliques that would begin the "monolithic" nature of INTPc. The mods have been doing that pretty well, from what I have seen!

    MBTIc, I believe, has grown too big to really have this as a problem. Least, without external support for it (please see: Reputation). So long as there are multiple and malleable camps, MBTIc will do fine. The size now can handle the various "underground" social camps and beliefs.

    The only thing that I see as a risk for MBTIc is the forum drivers - the top 10% of posters and their content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    All MBTIc needs is moderate policing to break up any of the strong cliques that would begin the "monolithic" nature of INTPc. The mods have been doing that pretty well, from what I have seen!
    We do? If it happens, it's mostly by accident.

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