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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    The truth is, and I know NF's hate such cynicism, but words and 'feelings' do not mean anything. They are air. They are variable. They change. Building anything on feeling or words, is a risk.

    The only thing you can safely rely on is judging people by their actions. This will reveal where their true feelings and commitments lie. Look at the decisions people make, watch what they do, observe how they treat people they do not need to impress.

    Edit: Also, make people earn your trust.
    What's cynical about that? That's just sense, IMO.

    Charm is deceitful
    And beauty is vain (fleeting?)
    But the woman who fears the Lord is too be praised.


    I've always thought it could apply to men, too.

    I was raised around charming and somewhat unreliable people, so learned an appreciation for the less shiny, but reliable ones. Doesn't mean I don't still enjoy the shiny ones, but I'm just very cautious and watchful for what the shiny might be hiding. Sometimes the shiny really is gold, but not, unfortunately, very often.
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    ~ John Rogers

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    What's cynical about that? That's just sense, IMO.

    Charm is deceitful
    And beauty is vain (fleeting?)
    But the woman who fears the Lord is too be praised.


    I've always thought it could apply to men, too.

    I was raised around charming and somewhat unreliable people, so learned an appreciation for the less shiny, but reliable ones. Doesn't mean I don't still enjoy the shiny ones, but I'm just very cautious and watchful for what the shiny might be hiding. Sometimes the shiny really is gold, but not, unfortunately, very often.
    Most of the shiny stuff is made in China, and it's toxic crap.

    (Jessica Biel's shiny ass featured in my avatar is a rare exception)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I was raised around charming and somewhat unreliable people, so learned an appreciation for the less shiny, but reliable ones. Doesn't mean I don't still enjoy the shiny ones, but I'm just very cautious and watchful for what the shiny might be hiding. Sometimes the shiny really is gold, but not, unfortunately, very often.
    QF Me, too.

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    The last person to sweet-talk me was my mom, and if anyone ever tries that with me again, they might lose their two front teeth.

    I hate manipulation, even the pretty looking ones.
    yesiknowimamiserablegrouchnowgoawayovmeleor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella View Post
    The last person to sweet-talk me was my mom, and if anyone ever tries that with me again, they might lose their two front teeth.
    How could you punch your dear sweet-talking mother in the face?

    Shame on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Most of the shiny stuff is made in China, and it's toxic crap.

    (Jessica Biel's shiny ass featured in my avatar is a rare exception)
    Oh, it's an ass? I thought it was a spangly, slightly deformed knee. I mean to ask you about that.
    Dogs-in-hats pwn spangly asses.
    Bring him back!

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    Yes, the dog was nicer.
    yesiknowimamiserablegrouchnowgoawayovmeleor

    It's Mizzz ST, thank you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Oh, it's an ass? I thought it was a spangly, slightly deformed knee. I mean to ask you about that.
    Dogs-in-hats pwn spangly asses.
    Bring him back!
    Patience... my pet.

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    My ESFP step-daughter is a master manipulator with sweet talking. She was a better "negotiator" than her parents at age 9 already. She has consistently talked other people into footing her finacial bills and getting whatever she wants. Recent run-ins with the criminal justice system have temporarily put an end to that however.

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    I can do it, but it isn't somehting that I do everyday. Usually I use it with my superiors, not with people I love, and I can't see anything wrong with that. It's just fighting for what do you want.
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