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    Quote Originally Posted by bcubchgo View Post
    STJ on a way huge ego trip. So obvious it's kind of silly.
    Are you fucking serious. He was an INFx, most likely an INFJ. Please read books instead of making bullshit assertions based on stupid mental associations. The only thing that's "obvious" is that you don't know shit about anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcubchgo View Post
    The keyword is skill. His art is not interesting. It's quite boring, as a matter or fact.
    Holy shit. Please stop.

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    This particular afternoon he was excessive, informal, he had a certain quiet charm, almost a tenderness of speech and glance. He talked soberly to Kiepura and seemed very interested and absorbed in meeting both of us. The curious embarrassment he showed in meeting me, his somewhat apologetic, nervous manner, my father tells me and other diplomats as well- are always present when he meets the diplomatic corps en masse ..... He seemed modest, middle class, rather dull and self-conscious--yet with this strange tenderness and, appealing helplessness. p. 64-65

    Does this sound like an ESTJ to you? Holy shit, I can't stand it when uneducated people not only spout their bullshit but have the audacity to assert it on the basis of nothing at all.

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    I'm quite serious, you rude, arrogant twit.
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    This is ridiculous.

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    Funny thread!

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    Definitely ESFP! Party tiger par excellence.

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    I think hilter was NFJ, Ni vision with Fe values, he was basically promoting "our people". As for as I'm concerned, he could've been either INFJ or ENFJ.
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    Have you guys read books about him? At the end of the war, how Anthony Beevor described Hitler is very typical of an INFJ gone bonkers. He held on to the idealistic notion of a dramatic and heroic overturning of Allied advances and kept boasting about some "wunderwaffen" that never was. He saw betrayal and treason all around him and arbitrarily killed and fired able generals who disagreed with his "visions". He's the epitome of an idealistic visionary whose perfect world has no stake in reality. He banned any talk of defeat and surrender and was convinced of the infinite power of the Third Reich; he didn't know Soviet factories were out-producing German ones at an astounding rate, and infantry was outnumbered by a ratio of more than 10:1 and when a clever and perceptive officer put together these statistics, he insisted that they were fake. He believed a quality intrinsic in the Aryan race would allow them to overpower the Slavic soldiers. Sometimes, however, he privately admitted the imminent defeat.

    He was stubbornly irrational despite having no experience in military strategy and insisted on some disastrous maneuvers for poetic reasons. For example, when it was wise to abandon (I think it was) Warsaw to concentrate their forces elsewhere, he couldn't bear the thought of giving up the capital city of an annexed land because it was symbolic of his victories and insisted that the troops fight to the death. Warsaw fell anyway, so did the other front. Towards the end of the Third Reich, he was increasingly paranoid (understandable, given the number of attempts on his life) and punished anyone whom he perceived to override his power in order to take emergency measures, even though conferring with him would cause a lag of a day or more, thus impeding swift military action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    I just noticed this post.


    Being in favor of an organized and disciplined party does not necessarily make one an "elitist". Communists like Lenin and Mao believed in the same thing, of the party being a vanguard of the working class. Hitler and the Nazi leadership did not think too highly of Germany's traditional elites.
    I never claimed as such. However, his militarism and the disciplined structure he imposed strongly indicate that he was an XNTJ. To think that an INTJ cannot be a visionary who shapes society contradicts all understanding of MBTI. You obviously misunderstood my entire post, as your response is absurd. Of course Hitler rejected the bourgeois establishment of his time, but I did not have the contemporary "elite" in mind when I asserted Hitler's elitist philosophy. There is a profound difference.

    You refer to Lenin and Mao, both of whom I would categorize as INTJ, but seem to neglect the core similarities between them and Hitler. All were visionaries who employed reason when contemplating their variants of social order; none considered the emotional state of themselves or their comrades when establishing their views apart from the obvious necessity of such considerations in the formulation of effective propaganda, which is an entirely different topic that is often misrepresented to somehow "prove" Hitler's F function—it is ridiculous. None wished to construct some purely moralist ideology as an INFJ (e.g., Jesus, Buddha, Martin Luther, Martin Luther King, Jr.) would. To think that an INFJ would develop a philosophy that is as discriminatory and elitist as National Socialism! Absurd.

    Marxism and National Socialism are simply not NF constructs, although Marxism would lend itself more to NFs than National Socialism.
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