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    Hitler was lucky. I really DON'T think he was INTJ. His power didn't lie in strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    Hitler was lucky. I really DON'T think he was INTJ. His power didn't lie in strategy.
    His power was in his charisma and ability to manipulate people emotionally.

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    vote for INFJ

    basically:
    - enormously powerful future vision (Ni)
    - mass inspiration of people to achieve vision (NiFe)

    watching videos of him, i doubt ENFJ, which would be my only other answer. if the Ni vision is powerful enough an INxJ can move mountains - or become a seeming extravert - for it.

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    Still convinced beyond that shroud of madness he had the traits of an aggressive isfp / infp who was heavily working out of Te in combination with being able to tell people exactly that what they wanted to hear. Or when he was like portrayed in the video, I could even imagine him being entp or intp. He's tho no J in my eyes, he's not steady enough for that

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    I wonder if I'ld win if I'ld candiate as the Führer of typeC ?! -.-
    [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEBvftJUwDw&t=0s[/URL]

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    One could argue that Hitler was more skilled in political strategy as opposed to military strategy. Many of his decisions during the war were based more on political considerations as opposed to strictly military ones. One example was his refusal to evacuate troops from the Courland peninsula, out of concern for trade in the Baltic and diplomatic relations with Sweden. He made similar arguments in regards to his decision not to push to Moscow early on, instead to strike south to weaken the Soviet's ability to wage war by cutting off the supply of oil in the Caucacus. When the generals disagreed, Hitler denounced his generals for failing to understand the "political and economic" aspects of war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Many of his decisions during the war were based more on political considerations as opposed to strictly military ones.
    Well I belive ALL decisions regarding war are political/economical, but hitler used a key factor that we still use today but with less counter-midia influense.
    My great-grandpa was a nazi, and a hard-core one too and I allways wondered why he(like most Germans at the time) where so easely "pulled in" into the nazi regime, some say propaganda, others say that they were forced into to nazism byt threat of death but nobody never considers the state of mind of the German people at the time.
    I had a history teacher wich to this day is the best teacher I've ever had and he used to say "We know only half the history of our world, REMEMBER! History is told by the ones who won the war!! Not thoose who lost cause by the end they are either dead or powerless"
    This is something i realy take into consiferation when looking back, the Hitler we know is a image. We can only speculate his type based on what we "Think" we know about him and by what we "think" we have of information.

    I find amusing how NT's are droped into the "all brains no heart" category, it's simply ridiculous to judge us that way (or any one for that matter). How come other revered political figures are seen as visionaries or brave... I mean if we were to realy analyse other influent leaders...

    Napoleon: Killed a shit load of people including his men on the impossible quest of invading Russia in winter, and even more! Stole national treasures that to this very day never returned to their homelands (Monalisa, Venus statue... well praticly the whole louvre museum) made him self tyrant, changed the rules and spilled some blood for it. And yet we se him as one of the most good and influencial people of his era.

    Alexander The Great: Responsible for a 10 year campaing of "conquering" wich we think that was simply glorious for a man before his 30's to have one of the biggest empires known to man. Do you honestly think that Alexander convinced macedonians to march for a "Unified world were everybody just gets along" I don't think so... the sodiers were in for the gold and women.

    Hitler: Responsible for the greatest rise in the economy of a country in the shortest time ever, created a company called "Volkswagen" wich means Volks(people)+Wagen(Car)= Car of the people on the premis that every german family should have a car. Used the propaganda in a way never used before, found a comon enemy BUT never played Risk, sucked military wise, was very disorgonised, had a thing for picking bad leaders. Yet we look to our history books and read as follows "Hitler=Jew Killer". Funny hu?

    I'm not a nazi, just think we are rapping history when we look at Hitler the monster not Hitler the polictitian.

    I THINK he has an Idealist or Visionary to unite people so fast under a comon cause is not so NT.
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    I just noticed this post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    He was highly critical of the masses, which is why he logically and correctly concluded that the surest way to appeal to the mob was by utilizing rhetoric; this is why he stressed the importance of propaganda. His actions and conclusions were based on an NT understanding of the world.

    "The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force."
    --Mein Kampf

    As for his populism, I do not see why this is beyond the ideological tendencies of an INTJ. I am an INTJ and a populist. However, he was only populist in so far as he attempted to appeal to the working class, but his core ideology was highly elitist. His personality was that of an INTJ with a powerful Fi seeking to pragmatically influence the world. His National Socialist Party was highly organized and disciplined, which is what one would expect from an XNTJ leader. I have never met an INFJ who was as militant and discriminate as Hitler and his associates.

    It is impossible for Hitler to have been anything other than an INTJ.

    "Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live."
    --Mein Kampf

    No INFJ I have ever met would incorporate anything such as the above quote into their philosophy--honestly, at least. Pathological INFJs tend to be insidious, not particularly aggressive.
    Being in favor of an organized and disciplined party does not necessarily make one an "elitist". Communists like Lenin and Mao believed in the same thing, of the party being a vanguard of the working class. Hitler and the Nazi leadership did not think too highly of Germany's traditional elites.

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    Hm, I think Hitler was some sort of NF. Wasn't it Heinrich Himmler who organized much of the...well, things that needed organizing? Hitler was powerful, and emotional.
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    [Page 58]
    Dodd, Martha, Through Embassy Eyes
    Hanfstaengl had been calling up and wanting to arrange for me to meet Hitler. Hanfstaengl spluttered and ranted grandiosely: "Hitler needs a woman. Hitler should have an American woman -- a lovely woman could change the whole destiny of Europe. Martha you are the woman. p. 63
    ..We went to the Kaiserhof and met the young Polish singer Jan Kiepura. The three of us sat talking and drinking tea for a time. Hitler came in with several men, bodyguards and his well-loved chauffeur (who was given almost a state funeral when he died recently.) He sat down unostentatiously at the table next to us. After a few minutes Jan Kiepura was taken over to Hitler to talk music to him, and then Putzi left me for a moment, leaned over the Leader's ear, and returned in a great state of nervous agitation. He had consented to be introduced to me. I went over and remained standing as he stood up and took my hand. He kissed it very politely and murmured a few words. I knew very little German, as I have indicated at the time, so I didn't linger long. I shook hands again and he kissed my hand again, and I went back to the adjoining table with Putzi and stayed for some time listening to the conversation of the two music-Iovers and receiving curious, embarrassed stares from time to time from the Leader.
    The first glance left me with a picture of s weak, soft face, with pouches under the eyes, full lips and very little bony facial structure. The moustache didn't seem as ridiculous as it appeared in pictures - in fact, I scarcely noticed it; but I imagine that is because I was pretty well conditioned to such things by that time. As has often been said, Hitler's eyes were startling and unforgetable - they seemed pale blue in color, were intense, unwavering, hypnotic. Certainly the eyes were his only distinctive feature. They could contain fury and fanaticism and cruelty; they could be mystic and tearful and challenging. This particular afternoon he was excessive, informal, he had a certain quiet charm, almost a tenderness of speech and glance. He talked soberly to Kiepura and seemed very interested and absorbed in meeting both of us. The curious embarrassment he showed in meeting me, his somewhat apologetic, nervous manner, my father tells me and other diplomats as well- are always present when he meets the diplomatic corps en masse ..... He seemed modest, middle class, rather dull and self-conscious--yet with this strange tenderness and, appealing helplessness. p. 64-65

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