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    You're not addressing the fact that his most powerful desire was to be loved by the German people. This is a very Ni-Fe thing to do. Everything he did leads us to derive this conclusion. His style of public speaking was highly passionate, not calm and logically linear like that of an INTJ (This is anecdotal, but the point I'm making still applies.) Here's an example of an INTJ speaking, in this case Stalin, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjcGN2Yx-bI and an INFJ, Hitler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q-6H4xOUrs .

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    If you listen to his speeches, he has the ability to "sync" with the crowd's emotions and "ride" them for maximum effect. Since Fe is basically understanding of others' thought process, we can conclude that his Fe was very powerful, which means either ENFJ or INFJ. Since his Ni was even more powerful than his Fe, the only logical conclusion that we can come to is that Hitler was an INFJ.

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    I think your outlook towards the topic is somewhat biased since it seems like you'd rather have him be of your type than that of someone else. It's important to be objective in such a situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    My sources are Hitler's speeches, writings, and descriptions of him by his contemporaries. I have simply combined this with my understanding of MBTI to come to the final conclusion that it is impossible for Hitler to have been anything other than an INTJ.

    Although Hitler's OSS (Office of Strategic Services) psychological profile is to be regarded with suspicion due to its palpable bias, I would also be justified in deriving my conclusion based upon its analysis.
    And your own analysis of these sources is more valid than those with PhD's who've studied the same sources and analyzed the psychological profile of Hitler? That's incredibly arrogant. You should write your own book on the subject and use that for citations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perch420 View Post
    You're not addressing the fact that his most powerful desire was to be loved by the German people. This is a very Ni-Fe thing to do. Everything he did leads us to derive this conclusion. His style of public speaking was highly passionate, not calm and logically linear like that of an INTJ (This is anecdotal, but the point I'm making still applies.) Here's an example of an INTJ speaking, in this case Stalin, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjcGN2Yx-bI and an INFJ, Hitler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q-6H4xOUrs .
    That is due to the fact that Hitler's rhetorical skills were highly sophisticated, whereas Stalin was a mediocre thinker and speaker, not to mention that Hitler's national socialist philosophy sought to unify society based upon race and culture while Stalin's communist beliefs were based upon little more than materialism. INTJs are capable of exuding profound passion when harboring deeply set beliefs.

    Stalin was a foreign "comrade" who saw himself as the leader of a destitute nation and living in accordance with a bankrupt philosophy; Hitler identified himself as a member of a people with limitless potential whose glory he wished to rebuild, much like Napoleon Bonaparte (INTJ), Julius Caesar (INTJ), Frederick the Great (INTJ), and other INTJ visionaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    My sources are Hitler's speeches, writings, and descriptions of him by his contemporaries. I have simply combined this with my understanding of MBTI to come to the final conclusion that it is impossible for Hitler to have been anything other than an INTJ.

    Although Hitler's OSS (Office of Strategic Services) psychological profile is to be regarded with suspicion due to its palpable bias, I would also be justified in deriving my conclusion based upon its analysis.
    Whatever... Enough said. Succinctly enough.
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    Stalin was not a mediocre thinker at all. He managed to almost singlehandedly transform a third world nation into a superpower in little less than 30 years. His contribution to linguistics was also quite significant.

    Hitler was an INFJ and your reasoning of him being an INTJ is based off of you wanting him to be your own type, which isn't very good logic last time I checked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onceajoan View Post
    ouch... inappropriate?



    Hahahaha! That's good!

    The truth I really don't think it's appropriate to try and guess or profess to definitely "know" what Hitler's type is (other than horrible and despicable). To try to associate him with any particular type is degrading. It's also insensitive of the OP given we have all different types represented in this forum.

    INTJs often like to think they know with certainty even when they don't. It can be an exhausting waste of time. Give up the idea that you know everything and you'll open up a whole world of possibilities (been INTJ, done INTJ and done with INTJ). Given all the evidence in the world, you still don't know nor can you. There is no objectivity possible - your own biases and antipathies play themselves out, don't you think? It's a possibility...
    I try to refrain from stating definitively that a person is a certain type. For one, MBTI is theoretical. We can't possibly know someone's psyche through and through. I don't see anything wrong with speculating, but I find it hard to take anyone seriously who claims to have all the answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perch420 View Post
    I think your outlook towards the topic is somewhat biased since it seems like you'd rather have him be of your type than that of someone else. It's important to be objective in such a situation.
    I do not "rather have" him be my type; I simply do not see it possible to reasonably justify the claims to the contrary. The reasoning so far applied to Hitler's personality has been devoid of critical thinking and has relied upon glaring mental acrobatics. Hitler having been an impassioned INTJ is far more likely than him having been any other type based upon faulty generalizations of specific type functions — how else does one begin to justify ridiculous notions such as him having been an ISFP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perch420 View Post
    Stalin was not a mediocre thinker at all. He managed to almost singlehandedly transform a third world nation into a superpower in little less than 30 years. His contribution to linguistics was also quite significant.

    Hitler was an INFJ and your reasoning of him being an INTJ is based off of you wanting him to be your own type, which isn't very good logic last time I checked.
    Most socialists (myself included) would agree that Stalin's state capitalism was an undesirable system and, for the most part, a failure. His poor attempts at industrialization were based upon rapid proletarianization of the majority serf population, which more often than not included forced labor. It is impossible to compare such a mediocrity as Stalin to such a vigorous personality as Hitler.

    Hitler provided a philosophy on life; Stalin simply continued the vanguardism propounded by Lenin during his later years, which was to establish state capitalism as a transitory system toward communism.
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