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    None of the above for me. Deeply spiritual - uh - whatchamacallit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    So, how many of you NFs are atheists or agnostics?

    I get this strong feeling that I may be one of the select few.

    You might be able to round up some NFs that are "spiritual" but not "religious," if that will suffice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    So, how many of you NFs are atheists or agnostics?

    I get this strong feeling that I may be one of the select few.

    A few here define themselves by those terms. A wedekit said, there are many who are spiritual, but do not count themselves as atheist or agnostic or religious. I dunno, one thing I like about people here, is if they are religious, they don't shove it in other's faces like some people in real life do.
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    I wouldn't feel comfortable putting someone else's idea of spirituality or non-spirituality down. It's such a private matter and no matter where a person is on the path/nonpath we are always in the state of change, either deteriorating or growing.

    But I do feel like an advocate of spiritual growth.

    wedekit, did I see that you had started a forum about slender men? Thought I did, but when I went back to post there yesterday I couldn't find it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrielle View Post
    A few here define themselves by those terms. A wedekit said, there are many who are spiritual, but do not count themselves as atheist or agnostic or religious. I dunno, one thing I like about people here, is if they are religious, they don't shove it in other's faces like some people in real life do.
    I would never shove my religion in someone's face, and I don't mind respecting their religious/spiritual beliefs as long as mine are respected. However, it seems that tolerance for the religious is low on this forum, so I choose to keep it to myself in most cases. Skimming through the Spirituality section should provide plenty of examples of why I do.

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    wedekit, did I see that you had started a forum about slender men? Thought I did, but when I went back to post there yesterday I couldn't find it.
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    Sending this to all my NF friends today. Just heard it on the radio and it pulled me right out of my chair.

    Talk about an NF gettin' it right and havin' a good day!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM89EZ_d_rw

    Enjoy!

    And thanks for the link, w.
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    It's not coming up. Try

    http://www.youtube.comwatch?v=BHOZgXzlkk

    Edit:

    Oh hell. Why do I have so much trouble on this forum with this kinda stuff?

    It's Natasha Bedingfield singing "Unwritten." Awesome INFP song. Shows the kind of joy and sense of connection that we feel when we've got our heads on straight. Kewl song.
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    Hmm, of all religions and philosophies I've encountered, I do identify the most with Taoism and I am definitely a naturalist and strongly believe that *everything* is cyclical and connected, but would/does that make me spiritual?

    Usually, when I hear people describe themselves as being "spiritual", truth be told, I cringe.

    I have definitely had a few experiences that have left me feeling a bit bewildered, but other than that, having also witnessed/observed/studied all the needless suffering, torture, pain, and tragedy inherent to life, from a moral standpoint, I cannot and refuse to believe there is a benevolent force behind, responsible for and or coursing through life.

    How do you NFs morally justify the existence of a benevolent force, or god?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Hmm, of all religions and philosophies I've encountered, I do identify the most with Taoism and I am definitely a naturalist and strongly believe that *everything* is cyclical and connected, but would/does that make me spiritual?
    I think so, yes. I believe similar things. I think the trouble is the word spiritual is not always defined clearly.

    Hmm. To begin, since the dictionary is a good place to begin defining things:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dictionary.com
    Spiritual

    1. of, pertaining to, or consisting of spirit; incorporeal.
    2. of or pertaining to the spirit or soul, as distinguished from the physical nature: a spiritual approach to life.
    3. closely akin in interests, attitude, outlook, etc.: the professor's spiritual heir in linguistics.
    4. of or pertaining to spirits or to spiritualists; supernatural or spiritualistic.
    5. characterized by or suggesting predominance of the spirit; ethereal or delicately refined: She is more of a spiritual type than her rowdy brother.
    6. of or pertaining to the spirit as the seat of the moral or religious nature.
    7. of or pertaining to sacred things or matters; religious; devotional; sacred.
    8. of or belonging to the church; ecclesiastical: lords spiritual and temporal.
    9. of or relating to the mind or intellect.
    I think on the whole we could agree that the term "spiritual" describes "that which is intangible". Since "spirit" primarily concerns the immaterial, be it mythological, religious, or what-have-you. The immaterial in this case can indeed be dieties, ghosts, the soul, consciousness, thought, etc. We could even consider emotions to fall under that category.

    I think you might be associating the term with a lot of New Age beliefs or slightly over-the-top believers of things, and I can understand that. But, I do think Taoists and Buddhists are intensely spiritual people in that they are constantly attempting to understand, and accept the intangible--which is to say their minds, their desires, and all that exists around them.

    As for your question:

    I do not think whatever runs the universe is benevolent or malevolent. It just is. It acts of its own accord, but is impartial and impersonal. That is what I believe, but I don't even believe that strongly. I don't think I could ever comprehend such a force if it were to present itself to me in a tangible way.

    I'm particularly fond of Epicurus' thoughts, which is why I have a famous quote of his in my sig. Epicurus - brought to you by Wiki.

    For the lazy, this about sums up what I was trying to say, "The gods do not punish the bad and reward the good as the common man believes. The opinion of the crowd is, Epicurus claims, that the gods "send great evils to the wicked and great blessings to the righteous who model themselves after the gods," when in reality Epicurus believes the gods do not concern themselves at all with human beings."


    Keep in mind, though, these are just my thoughts on the issue. Others will, undoubtedly, surprise me with their completely different answers.
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