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    Quote Originally Posted by MFJAGgernaut-B View Post
    The INFJ moral compass is so sensitive that one (ONE) mistranslated comment can effectively halt future dealings with that person, even to ask forgiveness.
    Agreed. However, I (we) have to be more flexible than that so as not to become complete hermits due to our regular disappointment in people.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFJAGgernaut-B View Post
    Murdering even ONE person in cold blood would render an INFJ unable to live with himself, driving him to every form of self-indulgence he can think of to drown the guilt, and eventually to suicide when everything he tries proves fruitless.
    I disagree. I don't know about other INFJs, but I always validate my actions. If I have validated something, there will be no guilt afterwards. If I haven't validated it, I just won't do it. No regret or guilt. Maybe I'm just a badass INFJ

    Quote Originally Posted by MFJAGgernaut-B View Post
    No INFJ would make himself a bit-rate assassin-for-hire, not even one made of ink.
    INFJs have very strong morals, but their morals are not universal. I think twisted INFJs would make the most evil of villains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrRandom View Post
    I disagree. I don't know about other INFJs, but I always validate my actions. If I have validated something, there will be no guilt afterwards. If I haven't validated it, I just won't do it. No regret or guilt. Maybe I'm just a badass INFJ
    Agreed. I'm like that as well. If I have approved of something for myself, I'm following it through with no regrets.

    INFJs have very strong morals, but their morals are not universal. I think twisted INFJs would make the most evil of villains.
    That's what I was thinking too. People are capable of anything as long as they have a strong motive that keeps them going. Twisted people have twisted motives

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    I have all the usual morals that most people have and I detest violence. The only time I could see myself killing someone is in self defense or in the defense of my children. I would most likely experience some angst before pulling the trigger if I felt that my life was in jeopardy but in the case of my children it would be swift and determined.

    I don't know if it's because I'm INFJ or what but I am very good at imagining the feelings from the perspective of perpetrators who commit terrible crimes. For instance, I can imagine how intensely obsessed and out of control OJ Simpson felt before he killed Nicole, how it ate him up so much that he felt driven to 'make her pay' and get the final one-uppance. And of course, he would assign the blame to her for his feeling of inadequacy.
    Having said that, I despise these sicko's, they need to be in prison or dead.

    It's the sociopaths, with no regard for anyone but themselves that I can't figure out. Even if they never commit a crime, how enjoyable could their lives really be without love for others? If INFJ's feel 'different' imagine how it would be to see people enjoying relationships with others and to know that the best you can do is fake it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrRandom View Post
    Agreed. However, I (we) have to be more flexible than that so as not to become complete hermits due to our regular disappointment in people.
    The INFJ mindset is one of "I don't screw up." Any mistakes we make are minor; we can repair the damage and everything's good again. But if we're faced with a mistake that we can't recover from, we're as good as screwed. So instead of recovering from a big mistake, we do everything we can to forget it. If we don't think about it, we've done no wrong. If we can't forget it, we're screwed.

    I'll use the example of Simon Baker's character Patrick Jane from The Mentalist. Jane is a clearcut INFJ. He always seems to know what he's doing, although it's hard for anyone to read his motives. Everyone thinks he's "weird," yet he readily connects with people as he needs to. He often uses unconventional methods that baffle even his closest associates, yet somehow he manages to get the right results. He gets feelings about people and things that turn out to be spot-on, despite the theories taken by his Ti cohorts.

    In The Mentalist's backstory, Jane's wife and daughter were murdered in cold blood in their own home. Jane perceives his mistake as not being there to protect them. Driven by his sense of justice toward their killer, he uses his insights to help the FBI in murder investigations. As long as the subject of his family doesn't come up, he's cheery and insightful. But watch what happens when the topic enters his thoughts; his demeanor changes. When his FBI comrades mention his family, he becomes sullen and serious. When he's with brokenhearted friends and loved ones of the victims, you can tell he's fighting the urge to cry. One episode even ends with him actually bursting into tears.

    (On a side-note, Simon Baker is also a kickass actor.)

    (On another side-note: You know you're INFJ when you're watching this show, and you know exactly what Patrick Jane is going to do next. Because it's exactly what you would do.)


    I disagree. I don't know about other INFJs, but I always validate my actions. If I have validated something, there will be no guilt afterwards. If I haven't validated it, I just won't do it. No regret or guilt. Maybe I'm just a badass INFJ
    An INFJ would never harm another human being unless he felt he had good reason to.
    You didn't disagree with me. You argued my own point back to me.

    You really are a bad "ass" INFJ.


    INFJs have very strong morals, but their morals are not universal. I think twisted INFJs would make the most evil of villains.
    INFJs may not have identical morals, but even twisted ones do have the same moral fabric. They also have the same natural aversion to--and inability to cope with--stupid and fruitless mistakes, especially ones with devastating lifelong consequences for all involved.

    Case and point: Adolf Hitler.

    Before serving in World War I, Hitler was a pretty upright INFJ. Quiet, expressive, complex, had a talent for art (some of his cartoons are in the German archives). While in the service, he suffered a head injury. Witnesses reported him being suddenly becoming irritable and behaving strangely during and after recovery. Textbook evidence of brain trauma.

    Recently scientists discovered that brains cells DO, in fact, reproduce, allowing damaged regions of the brain to repair themselves over time. My theory is that Hitler's brain recovered enough to give him his sense of morality back midway through WWII...after executing countless innocents and establishing himself as the most evil man in human history.

    Allied forces found him in a bunker with two dead whores and a bullet in his brain. He saw the damage he caused, knew he couldn't fix what he did, tried to drown it in self-indulgence, realized he couldn't forget, and finally tried to escape by killing himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFJAGgernaut-B View Post
    The INFJ mindset is one of "I don't screw up." Any mistakes we make are minor; we can repair the damage and everything's good again. But if we're faced with a mistake that we can't recover from, we're as good as screwed. So instead of recovering from a big mistake, we do everything we can to forget it. If we don't think about it, we've done no wrong. If we can't forget it, we're screwed.

    I'll use the example of Simon Baker's character Patrick Jane from The Mentalist. Jane is a clearcut INFJ. He always seems to know what he's doing, although it's hard for anyone to read his motives. Everyone thinks he's "weird," yet he readily connects with people as he needs to. He often uses unconventional methods that baffle even his closest associates, yet somehow he manages to get the right results. He gets feelings about people and things that turn out to be spot-on, despite the theories taken by his Ti cohorts.

    In The Mentalist's backstory, Jane's wife and daughter were murdered in cold blood in their own home. Jane perceives his mistake as not being there to protect them. Driven by his sense of justice toward their killer, he uses his insights to help the FBI in murder investigations. As long as the subject of his family doesn't come up, he's cheery and insightful. But watch what happens when the topic enters his thoughts; his demeanor changes. When his FBI comrades mention his family, he becomes sullen and serious. When he's with brokenhearted friends and loved ones of the victims, you can tell he's fighting the urge to cry. One episode even ends with him actually bursting into tears.

    (On a side-note, Simon Baker is also a kickass actor.)

    (On another side-note: You know you're INFJ when you're watching this show, and you know exactly what Patrick Jane is going to do next. Because it's exactly what you would do.)






    You didn't disagree with me. You argued my own point back to me.

    You really are a bad "ass" INFJ.




    INFJs may not have identical morals, but even twisted ones do have the same moral fabric. They also have the same natural aversion to--and inability to cope with--stupid and fruitless mistakes, especially ones with devastating lifelong consequences for all involved.

    Case and point: Adolf Hitler.

    Before serving in World War I, Hitler was a pretty upright INFJ. Quiet, expressive, complex, had a talent for art (some of his cartoons are in the German archives). While in the service, he suffered a head injury. Witnesses reported him being suddenly becoming irritable and behaving strangely during and after recovery. Textbook evidence of brain trauma.

    Recently scientists discovered that brains cells DO, in fact, reproduce, allowing damaged regions of the brain to repair themselves over time. My theory is that Hitler's brain recovered enough to give him his sense of morality back midway through WWII...after executing countless innocents and establishing himself as the most evil man in human history.

    Allied forces found him in a bunker with two dead whores and a bullet in his brain. He saw the damage he caused, knew he couldn't fix what he did, tried to drown it in self-indulgence, realized he couldn't forget, and finally tried to escape by killing himself.
    He was dodging the public humiliation and recrimination for his deeds, he was a self indulgent syphilitic sicko without his yes-men and he knew what was in store for him. He most likely thought a bullet to the brain would be 'dying with his boots on'. He probably fantasized that he would become a martyr for the cause. I just can't figure out how he pulled the holocaust off in the first place, his true genius was his ability to convince and bully others into supporting his crazy theories. I don't believe he was INFJ.

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    Everyone knows Hitler was an ENFJ.

    I think the more twisted INFJs would be seen in Tolkien's book 'The Children of Hurin.' But this was more from the curse Morgoth put on Hurin's family. Turin was a more brash fellow that would end up doing things in a fit of anger. He always believed his cause to be righteous and seemed to be blind to others' opinions.

    He seems closer to an INFJ than Hitler.
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    I don't think Hitler was an INFJ either. hmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by lillyofthevalley View Post
    He was dodging the public humiliation and recrimination for his deeds, he was a self indulgent syphilitic sicko without his yes-men and he knew what was in store for him. He most likely thought a bullet to the brain would be 'dying with his boots on'. He probably fantasized that he would become a martyr for the cause. I just can't figure out how he pulled the holocaust off in the first place, his true genius was his ability to convince and bully others into supporting his crazy theories. I don't believe he was INFJ.
    Really? And you were there in the bunker with him when you bothered to ask?

    I strongly oppose assumptions based on common perception, because common perception is often based on skewed media representation. Hollywood and CNN are run by business; they do not give a damn about the true story if a lie turns a greater profit. Hitler is accepted as evil because that's the only way anyone ever sees him. Therefore, I reject this as a base for any opinion, and substitute my own personal theories based on research and documents made available through public archives.

    I have seen documented descriptions of him from friends and family before and after military service. Both times, his behavior falls right in line with typical INFJ behavior, from his meek demeanor and artistic talents pre-WWI to his intensity and irrational hatred post-WWI to his brilliant tactical maneuvering throughout WWII. The only difference is the faulty morality complex, possibly caused by textbook head trauma suffered during his time serving in the German army.

    INFJs prefer efficiency over procedure. In the latter end of WWII, Hitler's empire was in ruins, and his surviving victims were calling for his execution. When the Allied troops got to him, he'd have to sit through tribunals waiting for governments to make up their minds on whether to hang him or fry him in an electric chair, then which country to give the honors to. Killing himself with a revolver took only a few seconds, and all he had to do was pull the trigger. He was dead either way, so...BANG! War's over.

    As for killing Jews, if Hitler was an INFJ with broken morals, it wouldn't be hard to see why he'd put Jews at the top of his execution list. Jewish people are known for characteristics that would rub a typical INFJ in all the wrong directions. For example, INFJs harbor deep hatred for closed-minded individuals, and Jews are notorious for their refusal to accept any ideas contrary to their religious convictions. Strip away the INFJ's altruism, and he'll certainly have no qualms about killing a Jew, let alone seven million.

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    I think both Hitler and Darth Vader have the potential to be twisted INFJs.

    As for Hitler, I've read Mein Kampf, and I must say that his thought process reflects an INFJ's throughout the piece.

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