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    I find the common profiles aren't too far off. However, people then color those perceptions with their experiences with the more self-involved and whinier versions of our type, and assume they are common INFP characteristics.

    To me, it's like calling all ESTPs con-men or ENFJs overbearingly manipulative... Except our misconceptions invoke pity instead of resentment.

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    What is the real difference between an INTP and an INFP and how can you tell them apart?
    INFPs feel everything, but won't tell you. INTPs feel nothing, and are quick to tell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SurlyAdam View Post
    I'm all of these things at different moments, but only in private or when I'm with someone I trust. At all other times, I remain stowic. I think INFPs really only open up when they're with someone they trust, and very few people see that level of openess. This could also be the challenge for INFPs: To allow the world to see them, without fear of judgement.
    Agreed. Major emphasis on the only part. A lot of descriptions note that. Warm only when comfortable, implying cold the rest of the time. Same with sensitive, fuzzy etc.

    I think a lot of people read the descriptions and fail to note that it says things like "deeply caring when they get to know someone". But not in general, especially not around strangers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redbud View Post
    What is the real difference between an INTP and an INFP and how can you tell them apart?
    Take the following with a grain of salt:-

    Don't expect any short term differences on the outside. They'll both be cold observers and very analytical, thinking a lot before acting. Over the long term, INFPs will generally warm up a lot faster than INTPs, and become much more hands-on and confident. INTPs will usually keep the analytical observer thing going strong. Generally, I think INFPs will be a lot more consistent in their life patterns (very long term), sticking to values, whereas INTPs may jump around seeking competency in many things (NT), and are generally much less value driven, leading to much less consistency in their lives, overall.

    As for short term on the inside, well it's all about the comparison between introverted feeling and introverted thinking. Fi will naturally try and get involved in a situation first, and then stay back second (takes training to change). For Ti, vice versa. Fi constantly analyses things in reference to values, or more generally, in reference to the subject. ("How do I fit into this? How do they fit into this?") Ti analyses with no such reference ("What goes on here? How does this work?"). Value based analysis normally refers to the question "what should I do?", with little care about other people's answers to the question. This leads to a lot of Ti analysis, but only in so far as it helps an Fi dominant discover how to serve their values. Likewise, Ti might analyze a person's own values, but only in so far as understanding them. It's really an ineffable thing to experience, internal detachment vs internal attachment. Like I said, both are externally detached.

    Fi+N is more imaginative, in a fairytale sense.
    Ti+N is more imaginative, in a theorising sense.
    They seem to converge over time, judging by some of the older members on this site, but always keep the same essence.

    Again, this is just educated guesswork on my part. At least, I like to think it's educated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erm View Post
    Again, this is just educated guesswork on my part. At least, I like to think it's educated.
    Made sense to me!
    Often a star was waiting for you to notice it. A wave rolled toward you out of the distant past, or as you walked under an open window, a violin yielded itself to your hearing. All this was mission. But could you accomplish it? (Rilke)

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    Thanks, that was interesting! I am going to post this question on the general NF site but you seemed to be deep in an analysis of your type so I thought you might have some insight to offer.

    So you would say that both are day-dreamers but that the content would differ? Or by imaginative are you saying 'creative' and that the content of expressed ideas differs?

    (I am putting this on the NF board...) For instance both are given an assignment to write ad copy about a company product. The product is a pencil. The INTP *might* write about the size, color, chemical makeup of the lead (graphite etc.) and how it effects performance, factory process to produce the wood stem if it is an improvement of some kind, number in the box, price compared to the competition, where it can purchased, etc.

    What might an INFP write?

    Thank you for your thoughts.

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    Hello people here-

    I have been hanging out at INTPforum for a few months now. I tested as INTP recently and was partially convinced that I was one, despite the fact that I tested INFP in high school and could be the poster child for the IFP type.

    This is a great thread. It pretty much sealed the deal for me that I am an INFP. Thank you.

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    word. i was going to say something along those lines too..
    perfect handle choice, brainheart.

    ps how are the intp boards - will they laff at you now that youre outed as infp? (this is a not so clever way of asking if they will do the same to me)

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    Quote Originally Posted by phthalocyanine View Post
    ps how are the intp boards - will they laff at you now that youre outed as infp? (this is a not so clever way of asking if they will do the same to me)
    no, intpforum is extremely cool. I think it helps though that I considered myself an INTP up until this point so I've already established my street cred. Now that I have their respect, they are viewing INFPs in a newfound way, I think. When I 'came out' they were all amazed- "but you're so smart and... and... rational!"

    But I like them all quite a bit. I like INTPs. I like them more than non-INFP fs, in general.

    and koocoo... in what way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    no, intpforum is extremely cool. I think it helps though that I considered myself an INTP up until this point so I've already established my street cred. Now that I have their respect, they are viewing INFPs in a newfound way, I think. When I 'came out' they were all amazed- "but you're so smart and... and... rational!"
    sweet

    hm..sometimes i wonder why we INFPs seem to admire our T counterparts more than they do us (initially).. sometimes i regret letting too much of my NF side out when i interact with NTs because i worry they're going to dismiss me as some hyperemotional (read: probably inferior) creature that may as well be an alien. i guess there are plenty of melodramatic NFs, but there are plenty of atypical examples as well.. (hello, thread topic)...
    it seems it takes a very logistical, "T-developed" F to sort of break the ice in many cases..


    ..really, why can't an INFP be "smart"? we are introspective, sensitive to details, and we have the added ability to empathize (when we are focused externally enough not to be caught in our own emotions, of course!).

    INFPs are so subjective by nature i think they can easily become rational as a means of creating clearer framework for their own perceptions..or something. at any rate one of the smartest girls i know is another INFP and she is particularly impressive because she is the sweetest, humblest and most accepting personality - you'd never guess she was so smart or talented by her demeanor. that's something we share with our INTP brethren, i think. i am rambling now. i digress..


    on OP: i don't know if i am any more "atypical" than any other INFP, but i definitely don't personally understand the description of INFP spirituality or philosophical outlook much... the whole "good vs. evil", "black-and-white" viewpoint seems too sterile and limited/limiting for any N type to me, and furthermore i don't know why a relatively unconventional archetype is said to be so likely to fall in line with organized religion.. one of my favorite INFP traits is a willingness to explore (at least mentally) pretty much anything once, and i find i have long been doing so with different faiths, philosophies, social standpoints, etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by phthalocyanine View Post
    hm..sometimes i wonder why we INFPs seem to admire our T counterparts more than they do us (initially).. sometimes i regret letting too much of my NF side out when i interact with NTs because i worry they're going to dismiss me as some hyperemotional (read: probably inferior) creature that may as well be an alien. i guess there are plenty of melodramatic NFs, but there are plenty of atypical examples as well.. (hello, thread topic)...
    it seems it takes a very logistical, "T-developed" F to sort of break the ice in many cases..
    I think the admiration can be mutual. For example, I had an INTP friend who considered me to be a very good writer. I would say he admired that I was able to put into words things he was incapable of.

    I think it's the TJs that have more of a problem with us. If INTPs do have a problem with NFs, I think it's due to the stereotype- the melodramatic irrational NF, as you say. I think they can feel uncomfortable because they may be worried that we will do something unpredictable and they won't know how to react.

    I seem to be a T-developed F. Yes, I would say it helps.

    ..really, why can't an INFP be "smart"? we are introspective, sensitive to details, and we have the added ability to empathize (when we are focused externally enough not to be caught in our own emotions, of course!).
    We are smart. And thanks to the Te, I think we tend to do well in school. But I only know a couple of INFPs, so my data pool is pretty limited.

    on OP: i don't know if i am any more "atypical" than any other INFP, but i definitely don't personally understand the description of INFP spirituality or philosophical outlook much... the whole "good vs. evil", "black-and-white" viewpoint seems too sterile and limited/limiting for any N type to me, and furthermore i don't know why a relatively unconventional archetype is said to be so likely to fall in line with organized religion.. one of my favorite INFP traits is a willingness to explore (at least mentally) pretty much anything once, and i find i have long been doing so with different faiths, philosophies, social standpoints, etc..
    I am 100% with you on this one. I am incredibly aspiritual. Not interested, don't think about it, even though I was raised to be so. That was one of the things that made me think I was an INTP instead of an INFP.

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