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    Rats off to ya! Mort Belfry's Avatar
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    Well how many of you NFs believe conspiracy theories?
    Why do we always come here?

    I guess we'll never know.

    It's like a kind of torture,
    To have to watch this show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delphyne View Post
    I don´t believe that only things exist which can be proven.
    i agree. in contrast to what most people tell me, i think it is very logical to believe in things that are conceptually strong but not physically proven (yet). surely, before anyone proved that the earth was round, it wasn't false to believe that the earth is round. i hold a similar position to religion. the analogy's not perfect, but you get the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animenagai View Post
    i agree. in contrast to what most people tell me, i think it is very logical to believe in things that are conceptually strong but not physically proven (yet). surely, before anyone proved that the earth was round, it wasn't false to believe that the earth is round. i hold a similar position to religion. the analogy's not perfect, but you get the picture.
    Yet is a good word. Science believed in a lot of things which it disproved over time. Today´s assumptions may be tomorrow´s false beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delphyne View Post
    Yet is a good word.
    Yet is a very good word. There is no apt and economic synonym to replace it.
    Why do we always come here?

    I guess we'll never know.

    It's like a kind of torture,
    To have to watch this show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mort Belfry View Post
    Well how many of you NFs believe conspiracy theories?
    Have you seen these type descriptions of the movie characters we'd be?
    The REAL Personality Types Made Relevant

    INFJs are the conspiracy theorists in this "model." At first I thought, "That doesn't describe me nearly as well as the others fit the other types" and then I remembered some of my favorite movies...Conspiracy Theory, etc.

    I do a fair amount of reading on things like the deliberate political rhetoric changes a few decades ago that created the myth of the welfare queen, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helen View Post
    I believe some things that cannot be proven.
    I would like to, but I don't think it's possible for me to do this.


    Having said that, sometimes I find reality both not as interesting, or the focus of my thoughts.


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    Religion and the temperaments:

    NF - in it for the spirituality and fellowship with other people
    NT - ? lol
    SP - there for "the ride"
    SJ - like the community aspect and the moral values and rules to llive by
    "Honest differences are often a healthy sign of progress. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilah View Post
    I am talking about beleiving in things that cannot be proven. Religion, spirituality, metaphysical, supernatural, etc. Not that you necessarily believe in all of those, but that you believe in something that cannot be proven.

    I am not implying that all NFs believe, just whether they are more likely to. I think that a strong N would make someone more likely to believe. It seems like the vast majority of NTs are pretty skeptical. "I don't belive it because you can't prove it." So I was thinking maybe NFs would be more open to believe?

    I am an NT but also a metaphysical gal, a "New Age type." It really puts me at odds with the majority of NTs. Sometimes I wonder if I am more like NF than NT.

    Ilah

    (Unfortunately?) to be honest I do think I am more likely to believe things that are difficult to prove. However I'm pretty well aware of how much kind of flak people give you for believing things you can't exactly 'defend' with 'proof', so I think I tend to just push the question of believing in these concepts away entirely.

    I mean I don't go on secretly believing in far-out conspiracy theories things like that, but I do fancy the idea of some supernatural things. I don't really see the harm in that, even though there isn't the right evidence for it because you never know what might come up. If there is evidence that disproves something, I won't ignore that. I'll take that in, drop that idea, and move on. But as humans, we don't really know the extent of how much knowledge we can acquire. The best way we can assume knowledge is by proof I suppose, but I don't see what's wrong with leaving your mind open to great possibilities that may or may not yet be disproven, and this is probably where my belief in such 'metaphysical' things comes from.

    Also, I can say I believe in 'God', and that would I guess be considered something supernatural and something that cannot be proven. But with 'God' the definition is so variable. If I take the Spinozist view that God is equivalent with the Universe, or all of nature. As we know nature exists, therefore God exists in that form. To me this is something that is still spiritual for me, but that because I take on such a definition it's not something that can be disproven.

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    I'm just so P that I find it difficult to believe that we necessarily know everything, or can understand and explain everything, entirely, already. It just seems so arrogant.

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    I believe in very little, unless I can prove it with my own hands and methods I will never believe anything fully. :P

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